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hello and welcome to the second episode

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in the in our show it's paranormal

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dimensions here and I'm David Young

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we've got a fantastic guest for you

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today another one we had a great show

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for lawsuit though for the last one

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Setia it's been well received as I

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understand yeah my guest today is Milkha

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Robinson he's one of the foremost you

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affirm paranormal researchers in the UK

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he's written six books I believe and

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he's got the seventh coming out shortly

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Malcolm's lectured extensively on UFOs

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and a paranormal subjects all over the

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UK Ireland France Holland and he lovely

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in Nevada in 2009 I believe it was

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Malcolm has appeared regularly on TV

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both in UK and across the world and

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there's regularly assisted in newspapers

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and radio stations he is one of only a

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handful of people in the world who have

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actually gone down into Loch Ness in the

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murk into the murky depths to so try to

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find a lot Ness monster so we may well

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touch on that today as well this is a

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fact it's a I think you're gonna find

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Malcolm quite a fascinating guest and

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and I'm sure that you'll want to look

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further into its research and ebooks

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anyway I'm gonna welcome now Malcolm

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Robinson hello male couple you there

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hello David pleasure to speak to you

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again say humor friend and how are you

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as he comes in there we've had a lot a

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little bit of snow up here it's been

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freezing cold blitzer well it's not too

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bad to Don his things it's great a sunny

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day actually but it's been wet and wild

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last night we had a little bit of snow

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but that didn't last so we're yeah I

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mean the English Channel so we don't get

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a great deal we better explain I mean

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Suffolk and although Malcolm Scottish he

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actually lives down in Hastings so he

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can't get much further away from

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Scotland in the UK there's very Pro

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Scottish you know you actually program

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separating from England not you but you

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know we'd have to deport you

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now anyway mochas welcome to the show

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and thank you for accepting my limbo and

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I'm sure it's going to be an interesting

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show not quite know where to start with

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you because you means to solve

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everything your paranormal UFOs and the

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Loch Ness monsters I think probably you

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be able to start with your first book

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which is a paranormal book wasn't it the

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Volume one all set yeah it was the first

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book was there year for kiss failed to

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Scott oh um one night came out in 2009

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and that effectively contained the the

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best if you like the best UFO kiss is

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coming from Scotland at the the year 70

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the don't make them kiss the faithful

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kissed and the UFO case fails to

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obviously catered for the other many UFO

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sightings across Scotland and it's one

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of these things David as a researcher I

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feel that I have to be putting the

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information into books because if I

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don't if I don't do that

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all these fails will just lie gathering

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dust and my home they've got to get out

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there to the people wait to see that

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yeah yeah I know you've been oh you've

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been quite well received on many TV and

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radio shows and the internet unless you

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do lots of talks as well yeah I love

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talking as a hit even or because at the

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end of the day it's just a case a again

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not only getting information through the

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books but also going on a platform and

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just discussing it with permit points

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lades and and I am NOT an expert

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absolutely not an expert I'm just one of

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these guys you have this fascination

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have this absolute fascination for the

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subject and that one answers as much as

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the next guy and I just thought that by

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continuing my research maybe someday

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soon we will get a satisfactory

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explanation to account for words of Zen

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woman yeah how I know you've had a few

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in you've had a couple of in you FM

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instance just help happy new year

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was it that so seaside town when you

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were was it when you were working at

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holy camp or something yes yeah I mean

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I find a number of year for experiences

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myself and I'm happy to tell your good

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self and your listeners about them but

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as you mentioned this one I was when I

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was about 15 I was a Butlins holiday

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camp I believe it was scared nest and I

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was loving Scotland obviously the same

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and was a family holiday and I met this

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English girl and we wrote in this

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romantic interlude shall we see David at

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the back of this shall we

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and it was looking out to the sea and it

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was a lovely night and it suddenly had a

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my back was towards the this Charlie I

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was looking out into the night sky and

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then I couldn't believe it

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what it was it was like build of

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scaffolding that's all it was instead of

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vertically going up a building

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it was horizontally on its side like

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pipes and tubes and it was slowly moving

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across an eighth sky no depth David I

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mean there was no structure other than

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these paper like

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appendages sort of speak and I was right

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and I'll never forget it and as we know

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you know you'll Air Force come in all

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shapes and sizes know that had no noise

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had no color that had no lights I was

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living silently it was moving slowly and

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to this day I can't even think of a

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possible answer to account for that one

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but that was bizarre that was gonna

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bizarre yeah you know yeah well tell you

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what I think we all know your your first

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love is really in a paranormal rather

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than a UFO I know we've both got the

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same passion of UFOs everything as well

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but I believe your first passion is

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parent is paranormal really isn't it

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absolutely I mean and just I mean I see

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this in my talks as well there are say

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as a wee boy to learn more about these

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subjects I was fascinated by ghosts and

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poorer gas and UFOs and Lake Monsters

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and initially as I've said before I

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really didn't give them any substance I

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felt there were no validity to any of

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these claims what a lot of rubbish

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there's no such things as us but you

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know and I know Dave as you go through

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life as you go through investigation

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you soon find out that there's no smoke

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without fire

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absolutely yeah we also mentioned we had

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a little a joint experience didn't we

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you told a story it's actually it's

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actually in your third book I know about

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jumping about up here here last a while

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we're under / we hope to mention that we

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had a little joint experience which we

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can't explain yeah there was a couple of

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year ago I was speaking to partner force

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and they kindly invited me to lecture

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there with other people as well and it

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was at the nottingham holes are justice

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and headsets but below that as these all

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dungeons and jail cells

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no park there's hanging hangman's noose

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and all out where they used to you know

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hang people back in the day and this is

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part of a museum as well if you like as

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you can remember Dave you and I were but

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down the bows of this this big venue and

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don't in the bows of this say not to

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come home to justice and as you as you

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recall it was Sammy dark there but

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flagstones and there are feet square

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flagstones and and suddenly I heard and

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you had those well of course suddenly

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they heard this sound it was like a

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bullwhip if you like cracking of a

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building it was crazy and a tongue

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drawing with a torch because you and I

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had torches to eliminate the darkness

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steps he was behind this wasn't his life

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yeah and we got the torch so energy

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remember the torts and focused on miss

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stone in the solitary stone that was was

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there and a pic job but it was quite

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hard it was really quite hot and have

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passed it to you and obviously we had

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been told that and now area there's

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Norris Apple sleaze stones that fall

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from this Taniya and so whether that was

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an apple it was certainly bizarre it

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certainly was warm to touch who knows

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but that was crazy that was a crazy

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incident funny thing is I didn't

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actually know that I was in a pool area

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era area there you know you heard that

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later that it's been well known for

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stones appearing natural effects I think

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a couple of other people that were way

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back behind us downs down

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bottom they heard that crackers will and

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wonder bullet was hidden they they

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deaden did and I've still got that stone

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and you know I'll be taking it on my

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talks as well I won't mention this in my

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talk so throughout the year and it's

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always nice just to show people the

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store and I'm actually going to give it

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to someone to do psychometry on it won't

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tell them all about that so you know

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that's a fact I think you've got a

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picture of it in the book of your baby

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well I'll probably do oh I'll put it on

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the website so people can see the

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picture of it you know a lot of you saw

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more information about yourself under

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books books and everything and it's all

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about getting that information notes in

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there I mean I'm still skeptical look at

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what else it could be before you know

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for you jump to conclusions it was

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something paranormal you've got to do

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and you'd hear it bouncing or something

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wouldn't you but it seems to be just

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like one solid crack as I remember

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that's right and it was a smooth stone

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as well you know there was no jagged

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edges to it was completely smooth and

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you expected it to bounce or something

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wouldn't you exactly yeah and it was a

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great night that night because you know

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took part and his psychic teams you know

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going a boat and it was interesting and

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are very much what we can get up there

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another dear and do some more research

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mm-hmm it was fascinating place it was a

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good conference actually Jamie wasn't

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quite as well as ten because I would

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have expected it's a baby but um

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but it was a good one I must say yeah it

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was and I mean like I said before going

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up when I took this interest and that

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paranormal I did find that there were

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certain things that I couldn't

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understand

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and of course slowly but surely as the

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years progressed now I came off that

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proverbial skeptical fence and but

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you're right when you say my heart truly

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lies in the paranormal David yeah I love

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being immersed in a haunted house and

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that the expectation and maintains that

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attend nothing happens

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it's actually pretty boring on some of

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these goats and then all of a sudden

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something will grab your interest when

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you're sort of really thinking I'm gonna

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go home in a minute and it's that one

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thing that's a spark that lights a fire

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up not the petrol and the car if you

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like that it makes it run and think you

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saying that at that time in Nottingham I

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thought it was getting a bit it was a

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bit slow in that that I didn't think

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much was going on there to be honest in

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sudden in suddenly there's at that crack

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of that stone and that really put off

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piqued my interest you know it's um well

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I don't know if you had the same feeling

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yourself but so at that kind of well

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something's happened you know well you

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know I mean I was aware that this area

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had you know it was well known for

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airports and mostly stones and stones

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being thrown at people and having people

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on the shoulder etc admitted maybe

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forgot about it at that time but it

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wasn't until we they had the storm saw

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the storm that I realized oh god yes

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that's great grace these things happen

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in this area and it was great to be part

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of it fantastic

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yeah it was amazing because you showed

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it to help build Rock was no didn't and

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he was quite so impressed with it on the

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show at all one day I'm sure I have

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something to tell us about these some

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apparitions and things but I think I'm

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up against it with you actually I know

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you got tons of stories to tell so after

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that you tell a few yeah I mean growing

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up as I say a mess myself and this

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wonderful subject and I've mentioned

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some of these stories before a bit for

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your own listeners I remember one time

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we were working on this haunted house

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and catkin telic which is a town near

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Glasgow and it was an ex-police officers

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house and when we went in the the

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property every wall had two foetus that

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copy of the Lord's Prayer and every door

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had a crucifix hanging around about it

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and we went up to one of the bedrooms

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where one of the children children's

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bedrooms and we always walk in semi that

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we are psychic medium and as I walked in

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through this this this kids bedroom I

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felt like ruffling like fingers rotting

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my hair the top in my head and I

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screamed to belly Devlin who was one of

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our researchers at SBI Billy Billy put

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on the late why just put on the late and

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I thought David that maybe it was a

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challenge 'mobile you know like an

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aircraft and he affixed model at brushed

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my hair but as soon as we put the light

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on I looked up and it was clear ceiling

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just a flat ceiling but this clearly was

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fingers four or five fingers brushing my

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hair don't use some of these so

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hauntings about yes like I talk of a

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spider's web don't they gonna crush you

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here or something like that absolutely

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and then when I worked for United glass

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and other more or less accepted that was

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a kind of that strange guy and but they

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took it Fame in fact they would come up

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with some newspaper cut and see a

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malcolm have you seen this apart for one

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guy one elderly guy he says what old

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Amish Malcolm you see you know and he

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said to me he said to me that I'll tell

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you what Malcolm

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we're not passed away and God forbid us

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not for many many years there is such a

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thing as away up death Christ

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I'll come back and your body will know

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about it I said it's okay Bobby enough

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son so many years went by there but a

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number of years went by and I was

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getting up for a D shift at six o'clock

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quantified by get up the house is it

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silent my wife sleeping austere darkness

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goes down to the kitchen and they

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started to put the kettle on and then

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suddenly I felt something felt something

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strongly behind me and I slowly turned

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round and I saw nothing nothing was the

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end of it by god what the hell was a

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because it really went AC called David

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so anyway I went to my walk I went into

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the men's restroom and I and all my

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colleagues well the heads were down

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let's just say somebody use cheer up

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boys you know if you're not here yeah

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you know Malcolm bobbies must died

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lastly Oh

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no the thing is but I never saw I never

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saw that's the man who said you if there

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is such a thing as life after death I'll

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combine you I never saw him but by golly

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that I not feel something and presence

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you know and these are all kind of

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stories that help me prepare myself into

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this wonderful domain of the paranormal

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even more than father he says son I can

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see you're getting into all the spooky

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stuff but here let me tell you this this

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is your granny my mother as you know she

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passed away several years ago but see a

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coupla nights Malcolm after she passed

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away I was lying in the bed

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oh the weights Widow I wasn't sleeping

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and then suddenly I heard Robert Robert

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look at me and he says suddenly speaking

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to me you know at this time mrs. Markham

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and I was terrified and you it was my

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mother your granny I knew it was my

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mother she died do you two days before

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Wow and she's an alert and I saw this

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beautiful light this phosphorescent lay

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at the corner of my bedroom and standing

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there beautiful was my mother he said

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that she looked about 30 years younger

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than when she passed and now I know this

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is about Hollywood David but she said

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that you know son I've passed on and I'm

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moving on now I'm going a better place

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and I just want to say my final goodbyes

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and with that this late this beautiful

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light dissipated and the room was

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stunned into blackness again and no

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there is another part in that story

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because she went round all my father's

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brother's my uncles

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and said the same thing that she has

406
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moved on and that's a wonderful story

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you know it is you know and people may

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ask well why do what don't I get my

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mother or father coming to see me and

410
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basically part of that may be because

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the more psychically aware one is then

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that will not seem can I wavelength it's

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like a radio you're tuning and you're

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tuning up we've got maybe the most

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psychic yeah you can accept and receive

416
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people from the other side but

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it's not the be-all and end-all answer

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there may be other answers but that's

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what I think you know yeah I think it's

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quite acceptable it's quite weird well

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so weird story that everyone has the

422
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same experience as well I mean you don't

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hear that very often do you no I mean no

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but in a case case and Greenford near

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London this woman had well this was a

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case it really threw me over the fence

427
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because she claimed that she was being

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raped by a spirit or a ghost you know

429
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you know you get the sink you buying

430
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stock you buy spirits and she was really

431
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terrified she was really shaken up no we

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had to ensure as a society you have to

433
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ensure that they're not pulling your leg

434
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that that really really genuinely

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concerned then we have to ascertain

436
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after on drugs or medication or they

437
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want to get into the newspapers who want

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to spin a yarn we have to dot the i's

439
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and cross the t's and I was convinced

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that she was ill you do and anyway my

441
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partner at the time we went out the

442
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house for a cigarette and the psychic

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medium was inside the house with this

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lady and my partner and I then came back

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into the house after finishing our

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cigarette we sat in the chair I looked

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at a lady who was sitting in a chair in

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the middle of the room and analetto a

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big getting scream and same time my

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partner she later a big scheme as well

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she says Malcolm can you see it and I

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said yeah

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now what we were looking at David all

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around this poor woman's body is

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beautiful aqua blue marine ladies

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pervading the whole body descending on

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her head there along their arms along

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the body along the shoulders along our

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legs

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absolutely beautiful and the pick the

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food woman's gone wha what was what were

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you looking at and and I said to the

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sacre-coeur says what the bloody hell

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was going on here and she said Oh

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Malcolm whilst you and your partner

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without having a cigarette I

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administered healing psychic healing on

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the lady duty of distress and so what

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you are seeing is the remnants of that

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psychic healings very dear I'm surprised

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you start Malcolm and but I'll never

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forget that

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that's amazing yeah blimey excuse my

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language

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it's yeah ever heard that one before

476
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no I mean it's a lot of stuff I mean I

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can tell you a few more I've got quite a

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lot of stories to tell you actually did

479
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you started up the SPI did you that's

480
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these strange phenomena investigations

481
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what year did you start that up that was

482
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obviously well interested in a whole

483
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range of paranormal phenomena before

484
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1979 when that's when I founded it but I

485
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was on the back of the Scotland's famous

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Livingston incident I went up the day

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after I met Bob Taylor i met Andy

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Collins and Martin keep Minh they were

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working for before--do at the time they

490
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were on site they were taking plaster

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cast modes of their marks and

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indentations on the grass

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I saw Detective Sergeant Ian walk and I

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realized then technically as far as I

495
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knew I was just only a bit 19 or

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something nobody in Scotland was really

497
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dealing with the paranormal I think they

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were the Scottish Society for psychical

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research admittedly but other than that

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Society in Normandy I mean today today

501
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Scotland is awash with societies so it

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was in 1879 I went know what I better

503
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get the ball rolling here and I've got

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the wonderful dawn holiday what with us

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and we travelled the length and breadth

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of Scotland investigating a haunted

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houses

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Bonnie branch came up of course later on

509
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in the years and it's just been a well

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of course they're really enhance

511
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yeah it says I think with the internet

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nobody's kicked off from that as well as

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until the last few years or ten years or

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so I think it's really taken off

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it's been a couple of spin-offs from

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your SPI as well you got the I think

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there's a couple of Scottish ones isn't

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there your Hastings one which you I

519
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suppose is your base isn't it what

520
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really really pleases me oh my god I'm

521
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so happy but that's that your good self

522
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david has done SBI East Anglia we have

523
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SBI Edinburgh ACI Glasgow with a

524
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wonderful Ellison done law

525
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and SBI Dundee SBI Inverness Oh what

526
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branch though we have these these

527
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branches going to various parts of the

528
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UK doing the good work that needs to be

529
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done to try and ascertain what's behind

530
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these wonderful mysteries yeah yeah yeah

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they've got quite a good membership as

532
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well have my on the all need on Facebook

533
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as well as but I think going Alison's

534
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mother about over a thousand people on

535
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her select so if you look for SPI is it

536
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called Glasgow SPI girls go I know

537
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there's a couple of Scottish ones so if

538
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anyone wants to look that up I'll

539
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actually put links to it up on the on on

540
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the paranormal dimensions page anyway

541
00:23:36,310 --> 00:23:34,940
you look bit later I I tend to chunky

542
00:23:38,169 --> 00:23:36,320
Allison on the show as well in a few

543
00:23:41,830 --> 00:23:38,179
weeks so I'm sure she'll have a few

544
00:23:43,690 --> 00:23:41,840
stories to tell ya Scottish you have one

545
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:43,700
paranormal conference coming up on June

546
00:23:48,039 --> 00:23:46,010
the 22nd at Glasgow University that's

547
00:23:50,620 --> 00:23:48,049
right yeah and I'll be speaking about

548
00:23:52,990 --> 00:23:50,630
the infamous Cottingley fairies which

549
00:23:56,409 --> 00:23:53,000
yes they are a fake of course but it'll

550
00:23:59,320 --> 00:23:56,419
be talking right from day dot code that

551
00:24:01,269 --> 00:23:59,330
story transpired and how sir Alfred

552
00:24:04,690 --> 00:24:01,279
Conan Doyle book fooled by these two

553
00:24:08,289 --> 00:24:04,700
small ghettos them and I'll be showing

554
00:24:11,139 --> 00:24:08,299
the photographs I was a lovely lady by

555
00:24:14,710 --> 00:24:11,149
by the name of Rita Gould there's a

556
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:14,720
psychic kindly and gave me some of the

557
00:24:19,299 --> 00:24:16,970
photographs she was passed on as well

558
00:24:21,070 --> 00:24:19,309
and drawings and illustrations so I'll

559
00:24:22,990 --> 00:24:21,080
be showing always set my talk and

560
00:24:24,730 --> 00:24:23,000
Glasgow as well yes yeah you've got to

561
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:24,740
cover all the things that you find out

562
00:24:28,630 --> 00:24:26,210
are fake as well haven't you because

563
00:24:29,649 --> 00:24:28,640
otherwise if you think everything if you

564
00:24:31,930 --> 00:24:29,659
go along with the stories that

565
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:31,940
everything is real then then you're on a

566
00:24:35,409 --> 00:24:33,200
wrong one for the start for the

567
00:24:37,360 --> 00:24:35,419
beginning yeah yeah you've got to you've

568
00:24:42,180 --> 00:24:37,370
got to point out the fakes or from the

569
00:24:46,990 --> 00:24:44,919
SBA's we met as if we unmasked anybody

570
00:24:50,139 --> 00:24:47,000
above got to shout for the rooftops and

571
00:24:52,810 --> 00:24:50,149
because these people you know keep going

572
00:24:54,460 --> 00:24:52,820
on and on and going into history and

573
00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:54,470
this is why sometimes it's maybe even

574
00:24:59,350 --> 00:24:56,330
good to look back and hesitate to

575
00:25:01,810 --> 00:24:59,360
revisit perhaps famous cases in America

576
00:25:04,539 --> 00:25:01,820
and Britain and France and we are new

577
00:25:04,810 --> 00:25:04,549
taken it with a 20-19 take and see if we

578
00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:04,820
can

579
00:25:09,610 --> 00:25:07,970
explain these historical cases we should

580
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:09,620
really do that you know oh no because

581
00:25:13,539 --> 00:25:11,330
when you google some of these these case

582
00:25:15,310 --> 00:25:13,549
these old cases quite a lot of the time

583
00:25:18,700 --> 00:25:15,320
they're still going along as being true

584
00:25:20,470 --> 00:25:18,710
won't they you know and because you seem

585
00:25:22,749 --> 00:25:20,480
to get a spur one goes off to sell this

586
00:25:25,629 --> 00:25:22,759
he's faking a spur will go off and say

587
00:25:27,580 --> 00:25:25,639
this is true and Mister people are going

588
00:25:30,759 --> 00:25:27,590
off and thinking is true once you've got

589
00:25:32,980 --> 00:25:30,769
worried about yeah and then we've got

590
00:25:35,230 --> 00:25:32,990
ask us so what constitutes the evidence

591
00:25:36,370 --> 00:25:35,240
it would convince your public and I see

592
00:25:38,649 --> 00:25:36,380
it in my talks and you'll probably have

593
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:38,659
me see it i Morgan James David but as a

594
00:25:42,610 --> 00:25:40,850
photograph they all they can be faked

595
00:25:47,740 --> 00:25:42,620
piece of video footage that can be faked

596
00:25:50,440 --> 00:25:47,750
and especially now those yes absolutely

597
00:25:51,759 --> 00:25:50,450
and I think it's just you know it comes

598
00:25:54,519 --> 00:25:51,769
from the heart if you're speaking to

599
00:25:56,499 --> 00:25:54,529
someone and they tell you you know what

600
00:25:58,539 --> 00:25:56,509
they saw and maybe a good backup their

601
00:25:59,919 --> 00:25:58,549
photograph and you can test it but

602
00:26:01,840 --> 00:25:59,929
sometimes that comes through the heart

603
00:26:03,190 --> 00:26:01,850
you know and you you would know

604
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:03,200
straightaway when you're speaking to

605
00:26:08,049 --> 00:26:04,490
someone that they are telling you the

606
00:26:10,330 --> 00:26:08,059
truth experience when you can believe

607
00:26:17,610 --> 00:26:10,340
somebody in this is such a good liar but

608
00:26:22,450 --> 00:26:20,379
what you're saying yeah that is proving

609
00:26:24,610 --> 00:26:22,460
the things that are real and well false

610
00:26:30,490 --> 00:26:24,620
you know and I know you're you're pretty

611
00:26:33,100 --> 00:26:30,500
passionate about it this Chuck Bass is

612
00:26:35,230 --> 00:26:33,110
Malcolm do you want to see my face

613
00:26:37,600 --> 00:26:35,240
change into various issues I mean well

614
00:26:39,850 --> 00:26:37,610
you're talking transfiguration here he

615
00:26:42,669 --> 00:26:39,860
says yeah it was a chap called great

616
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:42,679
Todd I went cut a long story short I

617
00:26:45,999 --> 00:26:44,240
went to his tenement building and

618
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:46,009
Edinburgh quite a number of years ago

619
00:26:51,279 --> 00:26:49,129
and initially I went there without the

620
00:26:54,279 --> 00:26:51,289
video camera on it on a digital camera

621
00:26:56,169 --> 00:26:54,289
anyway cut to the chase so he cannot dim

622
00:26:58,180 --> 00:26:56,179
the lights I could still see his face he

623
00:26:59,320 --> 00:26:58,190
had some kind of a leaf eerie music

624
00:27:01,779 --> 00:26:59,330
playing in the background

625
00:27:04,049 --> 00:27:01,789
and he says stared at the Benjamin oars

626
00:27:06,580 --> 00:27:04,059
no I swear to god hand and heart

627
00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:06,590
suddenly because it was a bald man

628
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:08,809
suddenly glue here and then he had a

629
00:27:14,019 --> 00:27:11,330
great big Rasputin beard and then his

630
00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:14,029
face cheese there and I love these

631
00:27:18,730 --> 00:27:17,690
girlish screams but again and again I've

632
00:27:21,639 --> 00:27:18,740
been getting this

633
00:27:25,389 --> 00:27:21,649
oh my god mama boy she's raised a weed

634
00:27:28,120 --> 00:27:25,399
really and then a tick about your camera

635
00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:28,130
another time and played at the SBI

636
00:27:33,010 --> 00:27:30,799
meetings and a Cohen Center and sterling

637
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:33,020
when I lived in Scotland and half the

638
00:27:35,710 --> 00:27:35,330
room went oh my god and the other

639
00:27:38,919 --> 00:27:35,720
halfway

640
00:27:42,010 --> 00:27:38,929
Wow Wow and then took another long story

641
00:27:46,810 --> 00:27:42,020
short I ended up on a TV show be Amanda

642
00:27:48,930 --> 00:27:46,820
Holden and her husband at the time it

643
00:27:51,549 --> 00:27:48,940
was in Coronation Street forget his name

644
00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:51,559
and I'll come back to my god so you

645
00:27:57,850 --> 00:27:52,809
gotta watch it buddy

646
00:28:00,850 --> 00:27:57,860
and so they use the television show and

647
00:28:04,860 --> 00:28:00,860
they you know they saw that face change

648
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:04,870
as well and it's just an illustrative

649
00:28:10,389 --> 00:28:08,210
incident of Transfiguration and it's

650
00:28:12,700 --> 00:28:10,399
wonderful to see but then again if

651
00:28:16,180 --> 00:28:12,710
you're staring at someone's face your

652
00:28:19,149 --> 00:28:16,190
eyes relax your eyes that in water and

653
00:28:21,820 --> 00:28:19,159
then it's like pareidolia stimuli come

654
00:28:24,399 --> 00:28:21,830
you see what you want to see and the

655
00:28:27,399 --> 00:28:24,409
thing we SBI as we get so so many

656
00:28:29,409 --> 00:28:27,409
photographs in just alright so UFO it's

657
00:28:37,419 --> 00:28:29,419
not it's something else that looks like

658
00:28:40,090 --> 00:28:37,429
as a bird frozen in flight but this is

659
00:28:42,279 --> 00:28:40,100
why I'm really looking forward to going

660
00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:42,289
to Rendlesham forest

661
00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:45,049
later this year and there's a bee no we

662
00:28:49,330 --> 00:28:47,120
way all systems in those woods and by

663
00:28:52,419 --> 00:28:49,340
going what a police I as it's wonderful

664
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:52,429
it is its own it's got its own unique

665
00:28:57,010 --> 00:28:55,370
now I think is a good word for it and

666
00:29:01,389 --> 00:28:57,020
it's got certainly some strange things

667
00:29:03,370 --> 00:29:01,399
going on there yeah you know when we'd

668
00:29:06,399 --> 00:29:03,380
only s-pen meetings we took many bosses

669
00:29:09,399 --> 00:29:06,409
we join welcome Judy Jaffa and other

670
00:29:11,740 --> 00:29:09,409
people my exponents and more went down

671
00:29:15,220 --> 00:29:11,750
near my up with Brenda Butler and we had

672
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:15,230
some great teams and we were a member it

673
00:29:20,049 --> 00:29:17,570
was a lovely night I'm standing next to

674
00:29:22,299 --> 00:29:20,059
somebody and you couldn't even see him

675
00:29:24,730 --> 00:29:22,309
ever so dark you know easiest pitch dark

676
00:29:26,250 --> 00:29:24,740
in there here and I'll just point out at

677
00:29:28,419 --> 00:29:26,260
this point that this at this stage

678
00:29:30,430 --> 00:29:28,429
Malcolm's going to be talking at the

679
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:30,440
Colonel holt returns to Woodbridge

680
00:29:34,670 --> 00:29:31,410
Conference in

681
00:29:36,350 --> 00:29:34,680
September the 8th in Suffolk which is

682
00:29:39,350 --> 00:29:36,360
just down the road to me

683
00:29:43,490 --> 00:29:39,360
and he's also he stood in kindly because

684
00:29:46,850 --> 00:29:43,500
I somebody has dropped out and Malcolm

685
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:46,860
candy offered to standing so I'm I'm

686
00:29:50,540 --> 00:29:48,090
quite grateful for that and hopefully

687
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:50,550
it'll be a good tour I could weekend if

688
00:29:56,870 --> 00:29:53,370
anyone wants to come and buy tickets you

689
00:29:58,190 --> 00:29:56,880
could just contact me but yeah yeah Khan

690
00:30:00,800 --> 00:29:58,200
will help looking forward to coming over

691
00:30:02,060 --> 00:30:00,810
again and we don't know how many more

692
00:30:04,010 --> 00:30:02,070
times he's gonna be able to do that

693
00:30:06,650 --> 00:30:04,020
because he's sort of getting on a bit

694
00:30:08,810 --> 00:30:06,660
now it's getting sort of 79 will be next

695
00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:08,820
year so how long we want to keep

696
00:30:12,380 --> 00:30:10,320
traveling in battle Paul what's up now

697
00:30:14,570 --> 00:30:12,390
he's quite fit and he loves getting

698
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:14,580
around but well sure Malcolm would be

699
00:30:18,350 --> 00:30:15,810
this looking forward to me you know what

700
00:30:20,870 --> 00:30:18,360
you're welcome you missed out the last

701
00:30:22,820 --> 00:30:20,880
time didn't you unfortunately I did and

702
00:30:24,650 --> 00:30:22,830
you know I've seen only great

703
00:30:27,530 --> 00:30:24,660
photographs everybody getting the flag a

704
00:30:29,990 --> 00:30:27,540
stick in the almond and so yeah I'd love

705
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:30,000
to meet the guy in her Bobby cha and you

706
00:30:33,170 --> 00:30:31,410
know I mean we're all aware of the case

707
00:30:35,060 --> 00:30:33,180
of course and the politicians thereafter

708
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:35,070
but yeah it's lovely guys yeah we

709
00:30:37,790 --> 00:30:36,210
weren't going through that one because

710
00:30:39,860 --> 00:30:37,800
they don't think it gets done to this a

711
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:39,870
bit sometimes doesn't it but I know you

712
00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:41,730
got it's got I think you've got a

713
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:43,200
picture of him holding your one of your

714
00:31:03,200 --> 00:30:59,350
what do you want to talk about next term

715
00:31:05,690 --> 00:31:03,210
well I mean I'll tell you a few more

716
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:05,700
stories of my ghostly past and not just

717
00:31:10,850 --> 00:31:09,090
because it's also interesting for me one

718
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:10,860
time we were dealing with the case in

719
00:31:18,350 --> 00:31:13,650
kill safe some other smoke tone neared

720
00:31:21,350 --> 00:31:18,360
Glasgow and this this single parent this

721
00:31:23,420 --> 00:31:21,360
lady was some young kids had been

722
00:31:26,090 --> 00:31:23,430
getting ghostly manifestations and at

723
00:31:27,890 --> 00:31:26,100
home you know she was getting touched on

724
00:31:30,830 --> 00:31:27,900
the shoulder there were cold sports

725
00:31:33,140 --> 00:31:30,840
there were electricity would come on and

726
00:31:36,020 --> 00:31:33,150
come off in a television taps would turn

727
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:36,030
on and off and all the normal stuff she

728
00:31:42,860 --> 00:31:39,570
was absolutely terrified we got involved

729
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:42,870
and obviously we spent a night there we

730
00:31:48,050 --> 00:31:45,210
experienced some of the phenomena

731
00:31:49,910 --> 00:31:48,060
selves and I was sitting on my on the

732
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:49,920
floor and there was like someone came up

733
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:52,250
and just blew in my face

734
00:31:57,950 --> 00:31:54,480
absolutely and it was not an open window

735
00:32:00,290 --> 00:31:57,960
or anything like that she says that when

736
00:32:02,660 --> 00:32:00,300
she approached the house she saw an old

737
00:32:06,500 --> 00:32:02,670
man upstairs looking peering out of the

738
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:06,510
window waiting done so she went into the

739
00:32:11,900 --> 00:32:09,210
house run upstairs and nobody was there

740
00:32:13,820 --> 00:32:11,910
and some of the young kids in the street

741
00:32:16,340 --> 00:32:13,830
said that they could see our young sorry

742
00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:16,350
an old man looking out of the upstairs

743
00:32:21,260 --> 00:32:18,960
window again they told on us and we

744
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:21,270
found out later an old man had actually

745
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:24,690
died in the house and they will be

746
00:32:30,410 --> 00:32:28,170
having you know yeah and she not just

747
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:30,420
that she was and she had one of those

748
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:32,640
stacking stereo systems you know they

749
00:32:41,330 --> 00:32:35,130
used to have in an 1870s with a big

750
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:41,340
wheel and she was looking at the stereo

751
00:32:45,650 --> 00:32:43,410
system the glass and she saw this old

752
00:32:48,050 --> 00:32:45,660
man's face reflected in the glass she

753
00:32:50,090 --> 00:32:48,060
turned round nobody was there she turned

754
00:32:52,760 --> 00:32:50,100
round to the stereo the face was there

755
00:32:55,790 --> 00:32:52,770
and it was not a reflection from the TV

756
00:32:57,500 --> 00:32:55,800
or nothing like that and I mean this is

757
00:32:59,870 --> 00:32:57,510
why I love this subject you know I mean

758
00:33:01,850 --> 00:32:59,880
I am a spiritual ersity of it I firmly

759
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:01,860
firmly believe in life after death and

760
00:33:07,430 --> 00:33:05,010
that's due to their massive for me for

761
00:33:09,950 --> 00:33:07,440
me for the massive weight of evidence

762
00:33:12,980 --> 00:33:09,960
that truly goes to show that but there

763
00:33:14,950 --> 00:33:12,990
is a continuity after physical material

764
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:14,960
death and I've spoken to doctors nurses

765
00:33:21,950 --> 00:33:18,720
surgeons I'll give you a quick doctor

766
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:21,960
story here I've spoken about it and my

767
00:33:28,010 --> 00:33:25,410
conferences let's say and Hastings here

768
00:33:30,860 --> 00:33:28,020
we have a major hospital and this woman

769
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:30,870
says to me Malcolm can I tell you some

770
00:33:36,770 --> 00:33:32,970
very very strange is's of course if

771
00:33:38,930 --> 00:33:36,780
stuff don't finish so she said that one

772
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:38,940
of the leading subjects had been office

773
00:33:44,450 --> 00:33:41,970
work duty stress I says well that's fine

774
00:33:46,610 --> 00:33:44,460
I mean it's a successful job oh no no no

775
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:46,620
no no no you don't understand Malcolm I

776
00:33:50,810 --> 00:33:49,200
says well tell me she says well there

777
00:33:53,690 --> 00:33:50,820
was walking so this elderly gentleman

778
00:33:57,310 --> 00:33:53,700
who was standing there any loot very

779
00:33:58,940 --> 00:33:57,320
confused and so the doctor says a UK a

780
00:34:02,330 --> 00:33:58,950
alright

781
00:34:05,690 --> 00:34:02,340
I don't know I don't know I mean just

782
00:34:07,550 --> 00:34:05,700
then this doctor's pager bit and they

783
00:34:09,740 --> 00:34:07,560
says excuse me a moment Sarah just just

784
00:34:12,860 --> 00:34:09,750
have to take this and his pager said

785
00:34:14,570 --> 00:34:12,870
that it was wanted in a resource room so

786
00:34:17,389 --> 00:34:14,580
he turned around to the gentleman and he

787
00:34:19,370 --> 00:34:17,399
wasn't there but it just presumed that

788
00:34:21,669 --> 00:34:19,380
maybe had walked through the swinging

789
00:34:24,590 --> 00:34:21,679
doors cause it near some swing doors

790
00:34:27,380 --> 00:34:24,600
anyway it went into the resource room

791
00:34:28,399 --> 00:34:27,390
there was a man gentleman on the bed

792
00:34:29,690 --> 00:34:28,409
with the paddles

793
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:29,700
you know the paddles didn't bring you

794
00:34:33,649 --> 00:34:31,530
back to life on his chest the big

795
00:34:39,560 --> 00:34:33,659
circular pads and I think you know

796
00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:39,570
what's coming and there was the same guy

797
00:34:45,139 --> 00:34:42,450
on the bed no this is where there's a

798
00:34:47,659 --> 00:34:45,149
little twist to the story David because

799
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:47,669
what happened then was this is Lee okay

800
00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:50,370
let's rewind the video tapes the video

801
00:34:56,330 --> 00:34:53,040
cameras of that corridor and see what if

802
00:34:58,490 --> 00:34:56,340
anything's here so the they watch the

803
00:35:01,580 --> 00:34:58,500
video tapes they saw the doctor Asuncion

804
00:35:03,700 --> 00:35:01,590
walking down the corridor disorders the

805
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:03,710
surgeon stopping the saw the surging

806
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:07,890
talking - nothing nothing he was talking

807
00:35:14,060 --> 00:35:11,130
to thin air and so when the subject saw

808
00:35:15,590 --> 00:35:14,070
his own self talking to nothing that was

809
00:35:19,310 --> 00:35:15,600
that he was off yeah he's saying

810
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:19,320
yourself off work and so this is why

811
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:21,810
people may say that life after death

812
00:35:27,530 --> 00:35:25,170
that so you know oxygen starvation to

813
00:35:30,530 --> 00:35:27,540
the brain people are presuming the pele

814
00:35:33,140 --> 00:35:30,540
not for me only in some instances yeah

815
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:33,150
yeah but not not no no I'm with you

816
00:35:37,610 --> 00:35:35,040
there I mean you do hear stories that

817
00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:37,620
some people are floated above the bed

818
00:35:40,670 --> 00:35:39,210
wherever they've died and they're at he

819
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:40,680
telling you or the ordinate or near

820
00:35:44,240 --> 00:35:42,450
near-death experiences and they've seen

821
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:44,250
shoes on window ladies all on top of a

822
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:45,570
couple of it now when things like that

823
00:35:50,570 --> 00:35:48,810
and when they've come back they've

824
00:35:53,060 --> 00:35:50,580
actually told them about that and and

825
00:35:58,700 --> 00:35:53,070
there it is yeah there's no way they

826
00:36:00,260 --> 00:35:58,710
could see some of these things that's a

827
00:36:03,740 --> 00:36:00,270
proven fact you know people have seen

828
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:03,750
this and I mean I remember as I said it

829
00:36:08,900 --> 00:36:06,210
was very small maybe about I don't know

830
00:36:10,670 --> 00:36:08,910
10 11 years of age I stayed in this

831
00:36:12,410 --> 00:36:10,680
small village called tel Abadi and

832
00:36:14,420 --> 00:36:12,420
Clackmannanshire near a low

833
00:36:16,009 --> 00:36:14,430
and my mother came in and she had bought

834
00:36:18,259 --> 00:36:16,019
me this new pair of shoes David the

835
00:36:20,690 --> 00:36:18,269
gnome I didn't like them you know I did

836
00:36:23,660 --> 00:36:20,700
let him and I was a nasty be shaped by

837
00:36:26,420 --> 00:36:23,670
those days and so I looked at his shoes

838
00:36:29,089 --> 00:36:26,430
and I went through them down onto the

839
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:29,099
the chair which was right next to the

840
00:36:34,670 --> 00:36:31,890
living room window now I can tell you

841
00:36:36,380 --> 00:36:34,680
with hand and heart David those shoes so

842
00:36:39,559 --> 00:36:36,390
that I was throwing down onto the city

843
00:36:42,380 --> 00:36:39,569
was definitely hitting the city without

844
00:36:44,720 --> 00:36:42,390
a shadow of a doubt my mother at LA came

845
00:36:48,049 --> 00:36:44,730
at under bark and walked away know at

846
00:37:04,910 --> 00:36:48,059
this point the shoes stopped and Medea

847
00:37:09,650 --> 00:37:04,920
floated up in smile never forget I like

848
00:37:12,170 --> 00:37:09,660
it so many and they're I mean we're all

849
00:37:13,849 --> 00:37:12,180
so obviously we can speak a bit of sake

850
00:37:16,359 --> 00:37:13,859
Paul I guess later but it was actually

851
00:37:19,220 --> 00:37:16,369
two-port engaged cases in sake

852
00:37:21,529 --> 00:37:19,230
one of which she was in gap modern roads

853
00:37:24,349 --> 00:37:21,539
which is not you know so far away from

854
00:37:26,900 --> 00:37:24,359
Park Crescent well in 1960 when I come

855
00:37:29,660 --> 00:37:26,910
maybe they got Monroy poltergeist it was

856
00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:29,670
affecting three hoses together and such

857
00:37:35,180 --> 00:37:32,609
was the panic and distress of the three

858
00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:35,190
families in this block of three that the

859
00:37:40,009 --> 00:37:37,529
two edge blocks joined forces with the

860
00:37:43,339 --> 00:37:40,019
middle block and the old slipped and

861
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:43,349
there's one big host when we when he

862
00:37:47,539 --> 00:37:45,690
became involved we they said that a lot

863
00:37:50,150 --> 00:37:47,549
of noises came from the loft and we

864
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:50,160
inspected the law for any birds or rats

865
00:37:54,499 --> 00:37:52,650
or mace that may have gotten to make any

866
00:37:57,140 --> 00:37:54,509
noises there were nothing like that and

867
00:37:59,420 --> 00:37:57,150
I'll just tell you briefly so many

868
00:38:01,640 --> 00:37:59,430
things that had transpired there for

869
00:38:03,349 --> 00:38:01,650
instance there she was walking into the

870
00:38:07,240 --> 00:38:03,359
kitchen one of the ladies and the

871
00:38:10,309 --> 00:38:07,250
kitchen drawer opened itself and 1/8

872
00:38:13,519 --> 00:38:10,319
floated out of the drawer and came to

873
00:38:15,980 --> 00:38:13,529
water and drop to her feet and then on

874
00:38:18,380 --> 00:38:15,990
another occasion the dog the family dog

875
00:38:21,589 --> 00:38:18,390
never ever ventured upstairs it was

876
00:38:22,910 --> 00:38:21,599
terrified to go upstairs and then when

877
00:38:26,330 --> 00:38:22,920
he came back from shopping

878
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:26,340
they had bark bark bark and

879
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:28,890
Craster's it's sad that the dog upstairs

880
00:38:33,650 --> 00:38:31,650
so they're Island the stairs and the dog

881
00:38:35,930 --> 00:38:33,660
was locked in a bedroom never saw that

882
00:38:39,260 --> 00:38:35,940
was snip and the bedroom door behind the

883
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:39,270
door and the opened the the had to get

884
00:38:44,750 --> 00:38:42,290
ladders to claim in the back window and

885
00:38:46,940 --> 00:38:44,760
and when they saw the dog there was

886
00:38:48,890 --> 00:38:46,950
great big oh geez and the woodwork of

887
00:38:51,500 --> 00:38:48,900
the door who is frantically trying to

888
00:38:53,240 --> 00:38:51,510
get out and so whether we don't know

889
00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:53,250
what happens there you know that was

890
00:38:57,290 --> 00:38:55,290
plated bizarre as well camera really

891
00:38:59,150 --> 00:38:57,300
hand you in the house but so yes that's

892
00:39:00,950 --> 00:38:59,160
a weird one that didn't like going

893
00:39:02,660 --> 00:39:00,960
upstairs and all of a sudden with

894
00:39:07,220 --> 00:39:02,670
nobody's there he goes upstairs yes

895
00:39:09,380 --> 00:39:07,230
weird yeah the wonder they get always

896
00:39:12,530 --> 00:39:09,390
say who lived in the family home one of

897
00:39:15,230 --> 00:39:12,540
the daughters saw her mother or what

898
00:39:18,110 --> 00:39:15,240
appeared to be a mother descending the

899
00:39:21,170 --> 00:39:18,120
stairs in the family home winning I can

900
00:39:23,540 --> 00:39:21,180
an eighty that she she she wasn't for my

901
00:39:25,910 --> 00:39:23,550
worth so she showed it to her mother

902
00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:25,920
wait cause she looked very blank you

903
00:39:31,130 --> 00:39:29,250
know mommy okay yoky and in as she

904
00:39:34,040 --> 00:39:31,140
descended the stairs this so-called

905
00:39:36,110 --> 00:39:34,050
mother of the daughter she the vision

906
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:36,120
was lost go see auntie Goren the corner

907
00:39:40,370 --> 00:39:38,490
and then she never appeared so the

908
00:39:42,350 --> 00:39:40,380
daughter went to the corner and she

909
00:39:45,110 --> 00:39:42,360
wasn't here at all and then she found

910
00:39:48,730 --> 00:39:45,120
out that a mother wasn't even in the

911
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:48,740
house at a time she saw and this is a

912
00:39:55,970 --> 00:39:51,810
common facet of paranormal phenomena

913
00:39:59,660 --> 00:39:55,980
people see people and these places now I

914
00:40:02,570 --> 00:39:59,670
remember doing a case and it was

915
00:40:05,390 --> 00:40:02,580
Lauriston yes near Falkirk and this lady

916
00:40:08,630 --> 00:40:05,400
again troubled with paranormal phenomena

917
00:40:10,070 --> 00:40:08,640
and many times she would walk into home

918
00:40:12,140 --> 00:40:10,080
and it was like there was a party going

919
00:40:15,380 --> 00:40:12,150
on all the noise the clinking of glasses

920
00:40:17,660 --> 00:40:15,390
and in quietness another time she walked

921
00:40:20,150 --> 00:40:17,670
into a family room she saw an old man

922
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:20,160
and a tweed suit looking at a wooden

923
00:40:24,830 --> 00:40:22,560
sailing ship copped on his hands and she

924
00:40:27,710 --> 00:40:24,840
says what are you doing in my house and

925
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:27,720
he just melted he disappeared and on

926
00:40:31,910 --> 00:40:29,520
another occasion sister she saw an

927
00:40:34,670 --> 00:40:31,920
Aladdin tape slipper suddenly

928
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:34,680
materialized on the chair when she woke

929
00:40:38,780 --> 00:40:36,450
up one time she saw an old

930
00:40:40,310 --> 00:40:38,790
black-and-white photograph album B the

931
00:40:43,940 --> 00:40:40,320
page is stunning in front of

932
00:40:46,100 --> 00:40:43,950
but there is no tell this story has had

933
00:40:49,670 --> 00:40:46,110
connotations as to the last one and what

934
00:40:52,610 --> 00:40:49,680
I mean by that is she says Malcolm you

935
00:40:54,650 --> 00:40:52,620
appeared in my house I mean what yeah I

936
00:40:56,270 --> 00:40:54,660
saw you you're standing in the hallway

937
00:40:58,940 --> 00:40:56,280
and I approached you and you disappeared

938
00:41:00,800 --> 00:40:58,950
and I mean well I can tell you Jean I

939
00:41:02,930 --> 00:41:00,810
was working at United glass and a

940
00:41:05,410 --> 00:41:02,940
factory that day of course it wasn't me

941
00:41:08,090 --> 00:41:05,420
you know so it's weird how the

942
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:08,100
paranormal can do this can i shape-shift

943
00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:10,530
and people who the loving and plant them

944
00:41:15,290 --> 00:41:12,090
and nice ones you know she's is weird

945
00:41:16,420 --> 00:41:15,300
yeah Jesus wait don't nothing I've heard

946
00:41:19,130 --> 00:41:16,430
that story before

947
00:41:20,750 --> 00:41:19,140
yeah I know you're so full of all this

948
00:41:25,790 --> 00:41:20,760
toys huh I don't know where to go thanks

949
00:41:28,310 --> 00:41:25,800
with you we'll talk about that later

950
00:41:29,780 --> 00:41:28,320
that your Loch Ness Sun extravaganza

951
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:29,790
because you're bundled a few people it's

952
00:41:35,090 --> 00:41:31,890
been down in Loch Ness and you know in

953
00:41:37,940 --> 00:41:35,100
the small submarines yeah that's true I

954
00:41:40,340 --> 00:41:37,950
mean you know Scott I was my father a

955
00:41:44,060 --> 00:41:40,350
guild member jillsy this water creature

956
00:41:46,700 --> 00:41:44,070
and eagerly you know listen to all the

957
00:41:48,830 --> 00:41:46,710
tears started to research at myself and

958
00:41:52,270 --> 00:41:48,840
then we went family trips up to

959
00:41:55,820 --> 00:41:52,280
Inverness and Loch Ness and absolutely

960
00:41:58,040 --> 00:41:55,830
captivated me this 24 mail lock and the

961
00:42:01,160 --> 00:41:58,050
mood of the Loch and mu you know and

962
00:42:04,160 --> 00:42:01,170
when a good view older teenage years I

963
00:42:06,350 --> 00:42:04,170
decided to go up myself and and view

964
00:42:08,930 --> 00:42:06,360
many many people who resided at the

965
00:42:11,240 --> 00:42:08,940
shores of Loch Ness and did a lot of

966
00:42:14,690 --> 00:42:11,250
audio tapes camped a lot and cold nights

967
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:14,700
and and never saw nothing myself at that

968
00:42:20,720 --> 00:42:18,720
time and we it was a wonderful time I

969
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:20,730
mean aventure viewed father Gregory

970
00:42:23,870 --> 00:42:21,450
brucey

971
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:23,880
who sadly no longer with us he was a

972
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:27,570
monk the Benedictine abbey at fort

973
00:42:34,700 --> 00:42:30,930
augustus and he and 1971

974
00:42:36,980 --> 00:42:34,710
took down Organists from westminster

975
00:42:38,090 --> 00:42:36,990
cathedral to the shores of the lock and

976
00:42:41,300 --> 00:42:38,100
it was a lovely morning

977
00:42:43,100 --> 00:42:41,310
the lock was like a sheet of glass and

978
00:42:46,100 --> 00:42:43,110
he says there you go it's the famous

979
00:42:49,700 --> 00:42:46,110
Loch Ness no you could not make this up

980
00:42:52,130 --> 00:42:49,710
because then suddenly coming up from the

981
00:42:53,650 --> 00:42:52,140
depths of Loch Ness with this great long

982
00:42:55,839 --> 00:42:53,660
tapering neck

983
00:42:58,359 --> 00:42:55,849
with a small sheet play care to touch

984
00:43:00,490 --> 00:42:58,369
there and it was rusting about for maybe

985
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:00,500
about five six seconds and it just

986
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:03,890
descended with a splash back into Loch

987
00:43:07,539 --> 00:43:06,650
Ness and you know it's just one of these

988
00:43:10,299 --> 00:43:07,549
these stories

989
00:43:13,150 --> 00:43:10,309
I interviewed em for mud water bailiff

990
00:43:15,940 --> 00:43:13,160
Alex Campbell on the shores of Loch Ness

991
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:15,950
and he was technically technically Alex

992
00:43:20,950 --> 00:43:18,170
was the first guy who really propelled

993
00:43:23,109 --> 00:43:20,960
the Loch Ness enigma into the public

994
00:43:25,210 --> 00:43:23,119
domain because she was a correspondent

995
00:43:29,140 --> 00:43:25,220
was the Inverness courier at the time

996
00:43:31,690 --> 00:43:29,150
and he picked up on a story in 1933 by a

997
00:43:35,650 --> 00:43:31,700
woman and it was featured in the paper

998
00:43:38,410 --> 00:43:35,660
and in 1934 Alex saw the creature

999
00:43:41,140 --> 00:43:38,420
himself which he interviewed him on

1000
00:43:45,339 --> 00:43:41,150
audiotape it's wonderful the same thing

1001
00:43:47,319 --> 00:43:45,349
there is long tapering nature etc and as

1002
00:43:52,839 --> 00:43:47,329
the years have gone by a visited many

1003
00:43:54,970 --> 00:43:52,849
times and 1994 I had the opportunity as

1004
00:43:58,480 --> 00:43:54,980
you mentioned to go down in the Loch

1005
00:44:01,539 --> 00:43:58,490
Ness submarine very very briefly the

1006
00:44:03,730 --> 00:44:01,549
Loch Ness so many responsible watches a

1007
00:44:05,829 --> 00:44:03,740
Swiss watch was painted in red and way

1008
00:44:09,009 --> 00:44:05,839
of course was only about a 25-foot

1009
00:44:10,900 --> 00:44:09,019
submarine very very claustrophobic and

1010
00:44:12,730 --> 00:44:10,910
tiny and shades also say openness a

1011
00:44:15,430 --> 00:44:12,740
little bit scary because it's pretty

1012
00:44:17,380 --> 00:44:15,440
murky down there isn't it well that's

1013
00:44:19,450 --> 00:44:17,390
what I thought that as we descended into

1014
00:44:21,730 --> 00:44:19,460
the depths of Loch Ness it didn't turn

1015
00:44:23,170 --> 00:44:21,740
out to be that way at all and the front

1016
00:44:26,019 --> 00:44:23,180
nose cone of the submarine was a

1017
00:44:28,120 --> 00:44:26,029
toughened glass and at the top of its

1018
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:28,130
aid at the top of the glass was that

1019
00:44:33,789 --> 00:44:30,890
five or six very strong powerful halogen

1020
00:44:36,039 --> 00:44:33,799
lights which penetrated illuminated the

1021
00:44:38,410 --> 00:44:36,049
depth and the darkness of Loch Ness and

1022
00:44:40,930 --> 00:44:38,420
we went down past four or five hundred

1023
00:44:43,180 --> 00:44:40,940
feet and at that point we were at the

1024
00:44:45,730 --> 00:44:43,190
lock floor Loch Ness is just under a

1025
00:44:48,309 --> 00:44:45,740
thousand feet deep but we went to the

1026
00:44:52,870 --> 00:44:48,319
lock floor and it was just like sandy

1027
00:44:55,299 --> 00:44:52,880
sill and so we we went across this lock

1028
00:44:58,089 --> 00:44:55,309
for never sandy silt and in the lock

1029
00:45:00,160 --> 00:44:58,099
just descended it just fell away and I

1030
00:45:02,319 --> 00:45:00,170
said to the skipper of the submarine can

1031
00:45:04,900 --> 00:45:02,329
we go down there and he says no but

1032
00:45:07,390 --> 00:45:04,910
gotta stick to your allotted course but

1033
00:45:09,549 --> 00:45:07,400
it was a wonderful time I was so

1034
00:45:11,380 --> 00:45:09,559
only lasted about an hour this trip I'll

1035
00:45:14,349 --> 00:45:11,390
never forget it yeah never so nice you

1036
00:45:16,809 --> 00:45:14,359
know I always thought it was very

1037
00:45:19,569 --> 00:45:16,819
exposed to be very murky and lots of

1038
00:45:21,700 --> 00:45:19,579
weeds and mad around it but if you could

1039
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:21,710
see more than a while we'd like to

1040
00:45:26,309 --> 00:45:24,170
believe that they don't wonder because

1041
00:45:29,079 --> 00:45:26,319
when all the initial books were written

1042
00:45:34,829 --> 00:45:29,089
anybody who went down the only went down

1043
00:45:37,720 --> 00:45:34,839
to a depth of maybe about 100 feet or so

1044
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:37,730
sorry difficulty let's Gordon I don't

1045
00:45:43,870 --> 00:45:40,880
fit you left - yeah can you pause the

1046
00:45:53,349 --> 00:45:43,880
recording yeah you can open a mark on

1047
00:45:54,970 --> 00:45:53,359
this you just knew with David junk can

1048
00:45:58,390 --> 00:45:54,980
you call me in a bit 11 or something but

1049
00:46:00,539 --> 00:45:58,400
don't be alright no you wouldn't know

1050
00:46:03,519 --> 00:46:00,549
don't worry about it don't whatever and

1051
00:46:04,779 --> 00:46:03,529
speak to the bit over yeah I'm dead I

1052
00:46:07,450 --> 00:46:04,789
desperately want to sweet you because

1053
00:46:09,329 --> 00:46:07,460
that was quite important yeah cheers man

1054
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:09,339
thanks bye bye

1055
00:46:15,220 --> 00:46:11,450
he stole their divot yeah absolutely

1056
00:46:18,009 --> 00:46:15,230
yeah so waiting for you so we'll start

1057
00:46:19,720 --> 00:46:18,019
getting about yeah cool it was scary

1058
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:19,730
I need to speak to him because we're

1059
00:46:25,210 --> 00:46:21,680
doing this filming me the one short on

1060
00:46:26,890 --> 00:46:25,220
Wednesday and it's to do with the 870

1061
00:46:28,839 --> 00:46:26,900
incident I'm trying to the desperate

1062
00:46:32,559 --> 00:46:28,849
trying to get hot eagerly anyway yes

1063
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:32,569
back to the block excuse everywhere

1064
00:46:41,710 --> 00:46:35,410
quietness so we could cut it out yeah

1065
00:46:45,759 --> 00:46:41,720
yep so they I don't know what part they

1066
00:46:50,349 --> 00:46:45,769
started no so as we traversed the log

1067
00:46:51,999 --> 00:46:50,359
floor the it was a sandy silt and you

1068
00:46:54,039 --> 00:46:52,009
could see the some of the stones

1069
00:46:57,279 --> 00:46:54,049
embedded into the sandy so and it really

1070
00:46:59,589 --> 00:46:57,289
was quite clear no people have said as

1071
00:47:02,079 --> 00:46:59,599
Mark II know yeah but some of the the

1072
00:47:04,180 --> 00:47:02,089
books at the time in the 70s and 80s

1073
00:47:06,249 --> 00:47:04,190
Loch Ness was quite marquee because

1074
00:47:08,739 --> 00:47:06,259
people Atlanta maybe only went don't yet

1075
00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:08,749
but at its 400 feet now you're getting a

1076
00:47:13,150 --> 00:47:11,210
lot of peat and silk coming down from

1077
00:47:15,849 --> 00:47:13,160
the hillside and it's it's very very

1078
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:15,859
mucky but once you penetrate that and go

1079
00:47:21,130 --> 00:47:18,410
pasta it's actually quite crystal clear

1080
00:47:22,540 --> 00:47:21,140
and that only became

1081
00:47:26,410 --> 00:47:22,550
and obviously when that lock their

1082
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:26,420
submarine came there in the 1990s so

1083
00:47:31,870 --> 00:47:29,930
it's quite yeah yeah it was fascinating

1084
00:47:34,330 --> 00:47:31,880
it's her own up in her a couple of songs

1085
00:47:35,950 --> 00:47:34,340
it's actually messy if he says no has

1086
00:47:38,890 --> 00:47:35,960
ever been to Loch Ness I mean it's

1087
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:38,900
probably a few of our us audience may

1088
00:47:41,860 --> 00:47:40,130
never have been there it's actually

1089
00:47:43,240 --> 00:47:41,870
messy if it's like an ocean was not

1090
00:47:46,390 --> 00:47:43,250
about an ocean but it's like a sea isn't

1091
00:47:49,330 --> 00:47:46,400
it it's it's very vast it looks like

1092
00:47:51,970 --> 00:47:49,340
it's like looking out let's see yes like

1093
00:47:54,070 --> 00:47:51,980
I say it's 24 mile long about seven

1094
00:47:56,230 --> 00:47:54,080
million years ago a speculated that Loch

1095
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:56,240
Ness was open to the sea at the N minus

1096
00:48:00,700 --> 00:47:58,400
end and then there was a land upheaval

1097
00:48:03,550 --> 00:48:00,710
which cut off from the sea

1098
00:48:06,510 --> 00:48:03,560
but I don't believe that we're looking

1099
00:48:08,500 --> 00:48:06,520
at pleaseö source an ancient aquatic

1100
00:48:11,020 --> 00:48:08,510
dinosaur for want of a bear what I

1101
00:48:13,630 --> 00:48:11,030
really don't because pleasure sauce

1102
00:48:16,450 --> 00:48:13,640
could not extend the neck tube really

1103
00:48:18,580 --> 00:48:16,460
harm will be your theory then would you

1104
00:48:21,250 --> 00:48:18,590
think it's the same creature being seen

1105
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:21,260
or is it a varied family that might have

1106
00:48:29,020 --> 00:48:26,330
been sort of landlocked somehow the

1107
00:48:31,330 --> 00:48:29,030
family are creatures in Loch Ness shadow

1108
00:48:33,940 --> 00:48:31,340
and the best evidence is not always

1109
00:48:35,830 --> 00:48:33,950
witness testimony because most of the

1110
00:48:37,420 --> 00:48:35,840
witness testimony comes from tourists

1111
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:37,430
you are all are there for five minutes

1112
00:48:43,210 --> 00:48:39,050
not are we about to America on hand of

1113
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:43,220
God so they will see many times you will

1114
00:48:46,570 --> 00:48:45,290
see what's known as a standing wave no

1115
00:48:49,780 --> 00:48:46,580
there's a number of boats or ships

1116
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:49,790
crotch averse Loch Ness one goes one way

1117
00:48:54,490 --> 00:48:52,130
one goes the other way and the bow wave

1118
00:48:56,530 --> 00:48:54,500
that each of those boats create those

1119
00:48:58,720 --> 00:48:56,540
ripples create the standing wave which

1120
00:49:00,910 --> 00:48:58,730
sweeps like at one hump or several humps

1121
00:49:02,950 --> 00:49:00,920
and to the untrained eye it can look

1122
00:49:05,260 --> 00:49:02,960
very mystical and magical but it's

1123
00:49:08,170 --> 00:49:05,270
nothing but water is really you know

1124
00:49:12,190 --> 00:49:08,180
yeah but I think to answer your question

1125
00:49:15,030 --> 00:49:12,200
I think it's some form of strange fish

1126
00:49:17,620 --> 00:49:15,040
for one of a bear what our creature

1127
00:49:20,490 --> 00:49:17,630
maybe as a descendent of the pleasure

1128
00:49:23,590 --> 00:49:20,500
sir or a descendant from some ancient

1129
00:49:25,990 --> 00:49:23,600
animal which it's not it's not an

1130
00:49:28,570 --> 00:49:26,000
air-breathing animals an accidental

1131
00:49:30,790 --> 00:49:28,580
breaking of the water surface because

1132
00:49:32,530 --> 00:49:30,800
you have a number of fish feeding at

1133
00:49:34,540 --> 00:49:32,540
just below maybe ten feet below the

1134
00:49:36,060 --> 00:49:34,550
surface of Loch Ness

1135
00:49:38,500 --> 00:49:36,070
and this creature comes up and

1136
00:49:42,130 --> 00:49:38,510
penetrates the water and dice back down

1137
00:49:45,310 --> 00:49:42,140
again so as something so not as I said

1138
00:49:48,310 --> 00:49:45,320
so notice the best evidence back in 1987

1139
00:49:51,660 --> 00:49:48,320
operation deep scan was a flotilla of

1140
00:49:54,340 --> 00:49:51,670
boats which at that time had the best

1141
00:49:57,130 --> 00:49:54,350
sophisticated sonar Onis each boat and a

1142
00:50:00,970 --> 00:49:57,140
traverse Turlock and an Elaine in a row

1143
00:50:03,220 --> 00:50:00,980
up and down swept up and down and they

1144
00:50:06,220 --> 00:50:03,230
managed to capture a number of strange

1145
00:50:09,940 --> 00:50:06,230
anomalous blips on the sonar which were

1146
00:50:13,870 --> 00:50:09,950
not grouped shoals of fish and even on

1147
00:50:15,430 --> 00:50:13,880
gated tapering creatures and when one of

1148
00:50:20,410 --> 00:50:15,440
the boats went back to see that Cadillac

1149
00:50:23,710 --> 00:50:20,420
it was gone so it's a wonderful mystery

1150
00:50:25,780 --> 00:50:23,720
I mean shy creatures there so there was

1151
00:50:30,970 --> 00:50:25,790
several of the same thing was it yeah

1152
00:50:32,950 --> 00:50:30,980
yeah yeah I mean I was the books I

1153
00:50:35,230 --> 00:50:32,960
enjoyed writing the most as most

1154
00:50:37,930 --> 00:50:35,240
certainly was certainly an acerbic

1155
00:50:39,310 --> 00:50:37,940
yeah it's called free anyone now they'll

1156
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:39,320
put a picture of you on de Sully

1157
00:50:43,240 --> 00:50:41,210
it's the monsters of Loch Ness the

1158
00:50:47,760 --> 00:50:43,250
history and the mystery of Bob Michael

1159
00:50:52,390 --> 00:50:50,170
maybe a little bit so it you're

1160
00:50:54,850 --> 00:50:52,400
certainly getting on for 600 pages there

1161
00:50:56,020 --> 00:50:54,860
it's a it's quite a fascinating read I

1162
00:50:57,700 --> 00:50:56,030
mean I've got to say I haven't read all

1163
00:51:00,160 --> 00:50:57,710
of it but it's one of those books you

1164
00:51:03,790 --> 00:51:00,170
can dive in and out of looking at sir so

1165
00:51:05,590 --> 00:51:03,800
episodes in it isn't it yeah I felt it

1166
00:51:07,240 --> 00:51:05,600
best I mean there's a number of books

1167
00:51:08,890 --> 00:51:07,250
about Loch Ness and I've tried very much

1168
00:51:10,720 --> 00:51:08,900
not to kinda go over all groaned

1169
00:51:13,390 --> 00:51:10,730
although sometimes it's hard not to we

1170
00:51:16,690 --> 00:51:13,400
got it yeah thankfully for me as a young

1171
00:51:21,130 --> 00:51:16,700
boy I kept as many pressed Cotton's as I

1172
00:51:23,470 --> 00:51:21,140
could from the early in 1870s and 1880s

1173
00:51:25,420 --> 00:51:23,480
and 1890s and a lawyer they didn't have

1174
00:51:26,740 --> 00:51:25,430
featured in my boot but admittedly yes

1175
00:51:28,900 --> 00:51:26,750
you know we're going to be careful with

1176
00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:28,910
the newspaper so we know that they can

1177
00:51:32,830 --> 00:51:30,650
get a lot of salt and pepper on the

1178
00:51:34,570 --> 00:51:32,840
stories that in the mean I managed to

1179
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:34,580
track down some of the witnesses and I

1180
00:51:40,900 --> 00:51:37,130
confirmed the tales but we initially

1181
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:40,910
start with the ancient Scotland the the

1182
00:51:45,130 --> 00:51:42,770
ancient sea Mariners there were many

1183
00:51:47,259 --> 00:51:45,140
saints of strange creatures and the

1184
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:47,269
Atlantic in the Pacific

1185
00:51:51,399 --> 00:51:49,130
and one wonders where are those

1186
00:51:54,609 --> 00:51:51,409
sightings now you look at the Irish

1187
00:51:59,409 --> 00:51:54,619
locks across there we'll look at some of

1188
00:52:01,299 --> 00:51:59,419
the the lakes in Siberia and Russia each

1189
00:52:03,819 --> 00:52:01,309
of who have got a tradition of our lake

1190
00:52:06,189 --> 00:52:03,829
monster I never looked back into the

1191
00:52:08,349 --> 00:52:06,199
prehistory of Loch Ness and other

1192
00:52:11,799 --> 00:52:08,359
Scottish locks like Locke long Loch

1193
00:52:14,049 --> 00:52:11,809
Lomond and Loch Morar which has its own

1194
00:52:16,899 --> 00:52:14,059
chapter in this book it's only 11 miles

1195
00:52:18,339 --> 00:52:16,909
long but has a key chair as well so

1196
00:52:21,549 --> 00:52:18,349
we're looking all that and then we look

1197
00:52:23,169 --> 00:52:21,559
at the 60s the 70s the 80s and 90s we go

1198
00:52:25,989 --> 00:52:23,179
right through that the whole shooting

1199
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:25,999
match the book then finishes by there

1200
00:52:30,219 --> 00:52:28,130
what could it be then you know all the

1201
00:52:32,739 --> 00:52:30,229
possibility is that what Nessie could be

1202
00:52:35,049 --> 00:52:32,749
and effectively I leave it up to the

1203
00:52:37,209 --> 00:52:35,059
reader to after having read the book to

1204
00:52:39,519 --> 00:52:37,219
decide themselves you know what their

1205
00:52:41,019 --> 00:52:39,529
feeling of heart as possibly the right

1206
00:52:42,459 --> 00:52:41,029
answer yeah is it

1207
00:52:44,019 --> 00:52:42,469
there's even suggesting elephants

1208
00:52:46,599 --> 00:52:44,029
doesn't it because it was a circus in

1209
00:52:49,689 --> 00:52:46,609
town Muslim they're ones absolutely

1210
00:52:52,269 --> 00:52:49,699
askin it and that's you know your stuff

1211
00:52:54,729 --> 00:52:52,279
yeah that was says it was a visiting

1212
00:52:57,399 --> 00:52:54,739
circus which was a going to Inverness

1213
00:52:58,839 --> 00:52:57,409
and the traveled one of the Lords at

1214
00:53:00,999 --> 00:52:58,849
Loch Ness and some of the elephants

1215
00:53:03,489 --> 00:53:01,009
allegedly went into the shallow a part

1216
00:53:05,589 --> 00:53:03,499
of Loch Ness and did a little thing and

1217
00:53:07,449 --> 00:53:05,599
of course where elephants in that team

1218
00:53:09,189 --> 00:53:07,459
but not weightily nor nor seen in

1219
00:53:11,199 --> 00:53:09,199
scotland so so many little boats

1220
00:53:14,229 --> 00:53:11,209
followed up the locker Gong what the

1221
00:53:16,809 --> 00:53:14,239
hell is that and then so that went into

1222
00:53:19,299 --> 00:53:16,819
folklore and mystery and all that but

1223
00:53:20,919 --> 00:53:19,309
yeah I mean there's lots of theories but

1224
00:53:22,719 --> 00:53:20,929
for me definitely something new

1225
00:53:25,269 --> 00:53:22,729
definitely I mean there's leave me

1226
00:53:29,439 --> 00:53:25,279
suggestions of interdimensional actions

1227
00:53:31,599 --> 00:53:29,449
that I don't you must know about the

1228
00:53:32,799 --> 00:53:31,609
interdimensional were theories about so

1229
00:53:35,019 --> 00:53:32,809
things are coming and going from

1230
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:35,029
different dimensions be a lot the ababil

1231
00:53:45,159 --> 00:53:42,279
that's one of the scenario is that we

1232
00:53:48,249 --> 00:53:45,169
looked at and also tapas and tapas is

1233
00:53:50,949 --> 00:53:48,259
are a creative thought form if you like

1234
00:53:52,870 --> 00:53:50,959
people just the more people think about

1235
00:53:55,749 --> 00:53:52,880
Loch Ness and think of it what could

1236
00:53:58,269 --> 00:53:55,759
been there maybe somehow that generates

1237
00:54:01,089 --> 00:53:58,279
an image to forum we saw it in a school

1238
00:54:03,789 --> 00:54:01,099
experiments the thing

1239
00:54:05,769 --> 00:54:03,799
we thought we saw da it's a Canadian

1240
00:54:08,620 --> 00:54:05,779
research group I think it was in the 70s

1241
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:08,630
they conjured up this mythical cavalier

1242
00:54:13,689 --> 00:54:10,729
tape guy give him a name give him a

1243
00:54:15,159 --> 00:54:13,699
history he didn't exist but suddenly you

1244
00:54:19,059 --> 00:54:15,169
know things were happening in the ciass

1245
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:19,069
room relating to this guy the ancient

1246
00:54:24,999 --> 00:54:21,890
Yogi's and mystics claimed that they

1247
00:54:27,999 --> 00:54:25,009
have created these tapa beings and stuff

1248
00:54:30,789 --> 00:54:28,009
so maybe this is what's going on in Loch

1249
00:54:33,429 --> 00:54:30,799
Ness could be some form of mystical tapa

1250
00:54:37,109 --> 00:54:33,439
but that's pure pure speculation not

1251
00:54:38,769 --> 00:54:37,119
fight yeah actually that you actually

1252
00:54:48,219 --> 00:54:38,779
manufacturing these things with their

1253
00:54:53,039 --> 00:54:48,229
minds yeah well you know so many cases

1254
00:55:00,130 --> 00:54:57,069
book coming out your 7th book well is

1255
00:55:03,459 --> 00:55:00,140
that almost completed there has been

1256
00:55:06,219 --> 00:55:03,469
done it's what's the publisher because

1257
00:55:10,929 --> 00:55:06,229
there's about 82 photographs going in

1258
00:55:12,939 --> 00:55:10,939
this one and as it is and I mean the

1259
00:55:15,729 --> 00:55:12,949
case and the bobtail of incident

1260
00:55:17,979 --> 00:55:15,739
appeared in my first book and I decided

1261
00:55:19,899 --> 00:55:17,989
as the years a lot of years have

1262
00:55:21,669 --> 00:55:19,909
progressed since then a number of

1263
00:55:24,549 --> 00:55:21,679
different theories have come up to

1264
00:55:27,609 --> 00:55:24,559
perhaps explain this so I decided to

1265
00:55:29,979 --> 00:55:27,619
revisit the Bob Taylor case till the

1266
00:55:30,519 --> 00:55:29,989
initial story then go through all the

1267
00:55:33,399 --> 00:55:30,529
various

1268
00:55:36,219 --> 00:55:33,409
eleven theories to explain it I tracked

1269
00:55:38,349 --> 00:55:36,229
down some of Bob Taylor's friends I got

1270
00:55:41,079 --> 00:55:38,359
their statements try it down some of the

1271
00:55:44,019 --> 00:55:41,089
people who directed the fencing the area

1272
00:55:47,140 --> 00:55:44,029
a track down so in the police officers

1273
00:55:51,699 --> 00:55:47,150
we took stuff from television shows etc

1274
00:55:54,399 --> 00:55:51,709
and I mean one of the the more funny

1275
00:55:57,399 --> 00:55:54,409
story no but it wasn't at the same it

1276
00:55:59,709 --> 00:55:57,409
was an ex-girlfriend of mine when we

1277
00:56:02,709 --> 00:55:59,719
kind of broke up she knew that the only

1278
00:56:04,779 --> 00:56:02,719
way to hurt me was get hold of these

1279
00:56:07,689 --> 00:56:04,789
famous Bob killer trousers that was

1280
00:56:09,489 --> 00:56:07,699
ripped by these devices so she had the

1281
00:56:11,919 --> 00:56:09,499
fingers and one of these rips in the

1282
00:56:12,399 --> 00:56:11,929
chose us and she was ready to rip it to

1283
00:56:14,589 --> 00:56:12,409
shreds

1284
00:56:16,690 --> 00:56:14,599
so I mean it's

1285
00:56:18,670 --> 00:56:16,700
funny looking back a bit I was almost on

1286
00:56:20,799 --> 00:56:18,680
my knees David said no don't do that

1287
00:56:22,059 --> 00:56:20,809
don't do that

1288
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:22,069
you've probably told this story so many

1289
00:56:25,870 --> 00:56:24,170
times but there's probably listeners

1290
00:56:27,279 --> 00:56:25,880
across America and they may not have

1291
00:56:29,739 --> 00:56:27,289
heard these stories but your mind sort

1292
00:56:32,799 --> 00:56:29,749
of just elaborated on it a bit so people

1293
00:56:35,829 --> 00:56:32,809
know the story yeah well a Condon

1294
00:56:38,650 --> 00:56:35,839
November the 9th 1979 the year that I

1295
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:38,660
started SBI it came on the Bakula say

1296
00:56:44,049 --> 00:56:41,930
event very very briefly and forestry

1297
00:56:46,630 --> 00:56:44,059
worker Robert Taylor was employed by the

1298
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:46,640
Livingston forestry department and his

1299
00:56:51,339 --> 00:56:48,890
job was to ensure that no cattle or

1300
00:56:53,769 --> 00:56:51,349
sheep strayed into Deckman woods which

1301
00:56:56,079 --> 00:56:53,779
is near Livingston new tone very very

1302
00:56:57,910 --> 00:56:56,089
mundane job he had been a forester and

1303
00:56:59,950 --> 00:56:57,920
all his life in various parts of

1304
00:57:02,979 --> 00:56:59,960
Scotland and on the morning of November

1305
00:57:06,099 --> 00:57:02,989
the 9th he jumped in his into his pickup

1306
00:57:09,849 --> 00:57:06,109
truck accompanied by his Irish red set

1307
00:57:12,190 --> 00:57:09,859
of dog Lara they then exited the truck

1308
00:57:14,799 --> 00:57:12,200
got out and started walking down this

1309
00:57:15,729 --> 00:57:14,809
forestry rage now at the end of the

1310
00:57:18,640 --> 00:57:15,739
forestry raid

1311
00:57:21,370 --> 00:57:18,650
there's a clearing and as he approached

1312
00:57:24,219 --> 00:57:21,380
the clearing he was absolutely

1313
00:57:26,859 --> 00:57:24,229
gobsmacked to see hovering andis

1314
00:57:30,099 --> 00:57:26,869
clearing this massive domed shaped

1315
00:57:32,739 --> 00:57:30,109
object as gray dawn shaped object with a

1316
00:57:34,779 --> 00:57:32,749
flange going around its perimeter with

1317
00:57:37,299 --> 00:57:34,789
cross lake projections sticking up from

1318
00:57:41,410 --> 00:57:37,309
the flange so he's standing there David

1319
00:57:44,229 --> 00:57:41,420
absolutely transfixed and his dog as you

1320
00:57:47,259 --> 00:57:44,239
would yeah and and his dog's bark bark

1321
00:57:50,109 --> 00:57:47,269
bark bark and beside him and he could

1322
00:57:52,299 --> 00:57:50,119
suddenly dematerialized and solidified

1323
00:57:54,729 --> 00:57:52,309
again and dematerialize and he could see

1324
00:57:59,259 --> 00:57:54,739
the young trees behind the object and

1325
00:58:01,739 --> 00:57:59,269
then suddenly suddenly what resembled to

1326
00:58:03,579 --> 00:58:01,749
second world war sea mains those

1327
00:58:05,620 --> 00:58:03,589
spherical balls that you got in the

1328
00:58:08,229 --> 00:58:05,630
North Atlantic with his spikes to

1329
00:58:10,299 --> 00:58:08,239
disrupt the shipping descended from

1330
00:58:13,109 --> 00:58:10,309
beneath this object came down on the

1331
00:58:15,339 --> 00:58:13,119
grass rolled across the grass and

1332
00:58:18,279 --> 00:58:15,349
approached mr. Kaylor

1333
00:58:20,579 --> 00:58:18,289
the then extended his projections his

1334
00:58:23,559 --> 00:58:20,589
rod laid projections towards his body

1335
00:58:26,229 --> 00:58:23,569
forcibly grabbing him at the hips and at

1336
00:58:28,390 --> 00:58:26,239
this point he remembers a horrible

1337
00:58:30,310 --> 00:58:28,400
burning smell like burning

1338
00:58:32,740 --> 00:58:30,320
break cleanings and a swishing or a

1339
00:58:35,140 --> 00:58:32,750
swooshing noise as if you had a school

1340
00:58:38,350 --> 00:58:35,150
keen and swishing it through the air and

1341
00:58:40,150 --> 00:58:38,360
in bang he lost consciousness when he

1342
00:58:42,100 --> 00:58:40,160
regained consciousness the larger object

1343
00:58:45,420 --> 00:58:42,110
was gone the smaller objects were gone

1344
00:58:48,220 --> 00:58:45,430
but on the grass but over 40

1345
00:58:51,070 --> 00:58:48,230
indentations circular and triangular

1346
00:58:54,940 --> 00:58:51,080
indentations and track like marks

1347
00:58:57,580 --> 00:58:54,950
appeared there as well so he managed to

1348
00:59:01,090 --> 00:58:57,590
reach his pickup truck he tried to radio

1349
00:59:02,830 --> 00:59:01,100
base with a microphone thing but he

1350
00:59:05,590 --> 00:59:02,840
couldn't had lost his voice he had a

1351
00:59:08,620 --> 00:59:05,600
nasty headache you had a graze under his

1352
00:59:11,080 --> 00:59:08,630
chin and he staggered he reversed the

1353
00:59:14,410 --> 00:59:11,090
truck into a ditch he had to stagger

1354
00:59:17,410 --> 00:59:14,420
back home to his home and inns and when

1355
00:59:19,030 --> 00:59:17,420
his wife saw it she went my goodness Bob

1356
00:59:21,070 --> 00:59:19,040
what the hell are something to you

1357
00:59:23,650 --> 00:59:21,080
because his trousers of Tony's clothes

1358
00:59:26,740 --> 00:59:23,660
were muddy and he uttered those famous

1359
00:59:29,410 --> 00:59:26,750
words I've been attacked and she says

1360
00:59:32,110 --> 00:59:29,420
attacked attacked by what you know and

1361
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:32,120
he said he says by a spaceship oh

1362
00:59:37,180 --> 00:59:34,250
there's no such thing as a spaceship

1363
00:59:38,740 --> 00:59:37,190
coming up get the doctor she duly called

1364
00:59:41,860 --> 00:59:38,750
the doctor he made a thorough

1365
00:59:44,410 --> 00:59:41,870
examination of mr. tiller then he called

1366
00:59:47,710 --> 00:59:44,420
for his boss mr. Malcolm Drummond who is

1367
00:59:50,230 --> 00:59:47,720
a forestry boss they notified the police

1368
00:59:53,470 --> 00:59:50,240
because when all said and done joking

1369
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:53,480
aside it was an assault by person or

1370
00:59:58,290 --> 00:59:55,010
persons unknown

1371
01:00:01,270 --> 00:59:58,300
so the police had to become involved the

1372
01:00:04,660 --> 01:00:01,280
fenced off the area and obviously

1373
01:00:06,850 --> 01:00:04,670
realizing it was a serious event I got

1374
01:00:09,220 --> 01:00:06,860
involved near enough the following day I

1375
01:00:12,100 --> 01:00:09,230
went up sat down with Bob interviewed

1376
01:00:14,770 --> 01:00:12,110
him saw he was so shaken we went up to

1377
01:00:16,900 --> 01:00:14,780
see the area and you could clearly see

1378
01:00:18,940 --> 01:00:16,910
the marks in the grass although snow had

1379
01:00:20,710 --> 01:00:18,950
fallen not previous night that was

1380
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:20,720
blanketed by snow we brushed away the

1381
01:00:28,270 --> 01:00:26,090
snow and you know and last year took me

1382
01:00:31,270 --> 01:00:28,280
three years fighting with the West

1383
01:00:34,090 --> 01:00:31,280
Lothian Council to get signage erected

1384
01:00:36,640 --> 01:00:34,100
and Deckman woods because so many people

1385
01:00:39,010 --> 01:00:36,650
David but coming from not only the UK

1386
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:39,020
but from Europe to try and see the site

1387
01:00:42,010 --> 01:00:40,610
and they never found it because there

1388
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:42,020
were no directions

1389
01:00:47,020 --> 01:00:44,690
so as Rendlesham forest has got this

1390
01:00:49,359 --> 01:00:47,030
signage NOLA says well you know what I'm

1391
01:00:52,810 --> 01:00:49,369
going to try and get it for Livingston

1392
01:00:54,940 --> 01:00:52,820
so only got that last year after three

1393
01:00:57,640 --> 01:00:54,950
year campaign and chewing and throwing

1394
01:01:00,310 --> 01:00:57,650
and fighting and bitching and listen we

1395
01:01:03,250 --> 01:01:00,320
got there and there is a same age board

1396
01:01:05,410 --> 01:01:03,260
up there and directions marker ways etc

1397
01:01:06,790 --> 01:01:05,420
so again I'm really pleased at you know

1398
01:01:09,100 --> 01:01:06,800
well it's not very good for tourism

1399
01:01:15,190 --> 01:01:09,110
anyway isn't it you know we feel the way

1400
01:01:17,650 --> 01:01:15,200
you look at it yeah this year the 40th

1401
01:01:19,690 --> 01:01:17,660
anniversary is this year of the Robert

1402
01:01:23,410 --> 01:01:19,700
Taylor case and yeah when you think

1403
01:01:26,010 --> 01:01:23,420
about it for years he's in here so I'm

1404
01:01:29,859 --> 01:01:26,020
giving a talk he's old hometown and ins

1405
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:29,869
Livingston community station center and

1406
01:01:34,930 --> 01:01:31,970
I'm giving a talk about the case there

1407
01:01:36,940 --> 01:01:34,940
so um I just felt it right after 40

1408
01:01:39,100 --> 01:01:36,950
years to give a lecture to the local

1409
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:39,110
townsfolk and I'm looking forward to

1410
01:01:43,090 --> 01:01:41,210
that that's known as I seen of him but

1411
01:01:47,609 --> 01:01:43,100
in eighth twenty nineteen yeah that

1412
01:01:51,370 --> 01:01:50,200
yeah II think that something happened or

1413
01:01:53,830 --> 01:01:51,380
I know you've been asking questions

1414
01:01:55,630 --> 01:01:53,840
about it and your book is I don't want

1415
01:01:57,910 --> 01:01:55,640
you to give your book away because but

1416
01:01:59,500 --> 01:01:57,920
but you've been sort of looking at all

1417
01:02:01,450 --> 01:01:59,510
the theories that did he imagined here

1418
01:02:02,710 --> 01:02:01,460
or did he dream it or was he really

1419
01:02:04,900 --> 01:02:02,720
attacked by somebody else he made a

1420
01:02:07,900 --> 01:02:04,910
story up or but I know you've looked at

1421
01:02:09,880 --> 01:02:07,910
all there haven't you yeah I mean as I

1422
01:02:11,650 --> 01:02:09,890
say there are eleven theories some of

1423
01:02:14,020 --> 01:02:11,660
them are quite bizarre and but having

1424
01:02:17,260 --> 01:02:14,030
said that never ever throw the baby out

1425
01:02:19,060 --> 01:02:17,270
with the bathwater we may laugh and joke

1426
01:02:21,640 --> 01:02:19,070
it's things that are so ridiculous but

1427
01:02:24,940 --> 01:02:21,650
it turned out to be true you know it's

1428
01:02:26,530 --> 01:02:24,950
like we shouldn't laugh it we laughed at

1429
01:02:28,420 --> 01:02:26,540
my cornea that will never work in it

1430
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:28,430
dead well after John Logie Baird the

1431
01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:30,650
inventor of television or never what it

1432
01:02:35,650 --> 01:02:32,690
has we laughed at the Wright brothers

1433
01:02:37,300 --> 01:02:35,660
I'll never fly or sorry alone and and

1434
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:37,310
just because something lease is

1435
01:02:40,750 --> 01:02:37,970
ridiculous

1436
01:02:43,630 --> 01:02:40,760
but chancing a question I've looked to

1437
01:02:46,680 --> 01:02:43,640
all the various theories and I give them

1438
01:02:49,390 --> 01:02:46,690
marks to attend and my book by the way

1439
01:02:52,120 --> 01:02:49,400
and one of them is the

1440
01:02:55,480 --> 01:02:52,130
Atropa belladonna which is a poisonous

1441
01:02:57,400 --> 01:02:55,490
berry which have ingested by a pitch

1442
01:03:01,090 --> 01:02:57,410
more than we were five or six it can

1443
01:03:02,859 --> 01:03:01,100
knock you and kill you effectively even

1444
01:03:06,370 --> 01:03:02,869
if you've rubbed the juice in your hands

1445
01:03:10,150 --> 01:03:06,380
it can penetrate your arm and your hands

1446
01:03:14,430 --> 01:03:10,160
and they can you know you pass over yeah

1447
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:14,440
so and I don't give that much credence

1448
01:03:21,880 --> 01:03:17,930
we looked at the water tower by Phil

1449
01:03:23,740 --> 01:03:21,890
Fenton again this month entirely

1450
01:03:25,330 --> 01:03:23,750
connected to see what he has to say it

1451
01:03:28,180 --> 01:03:25,340
says theory he believes that Robert

1452
01:03:30,490 --> 01:03:28,190
tiller was not at the location he said

1453
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:30,500
he was but over the other side of the

1454
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:33,170
Emmy motorway where there is big domed

1455
01:03:38,590 --> 01:03:36,410
shaped water tower no yeah it looks a

1456
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:38,600
bit like it but then but gotta answer

1457
01:03:44,230 --> 01:03:41,570
the you know the objects it descended

1458
01:03:47,859 --> 01:03:44,240
from the craft etc I won't go into it

1459
01:03:49,210 --> 01:03:47,869
just now it's gonna be in your book but

1460
01:03:50,410 --> 01:03:49,220
yeah I suppose you've got to look at

1461
01:03:51,790 --> 01:03:50,420
these who's I mean then you've got a

1462
01:03:55,180 --> 01:03:51,800
look at the character of the person

1463
01:03:56,859 --> 01:03:55,190
who's telling the story Avenue that's

1464
01:04:01,740 --> 01:03:56,869
what I think as far as you believe he

1465
01:04:08,500 --> 01:04:04,710
these characters told you you know sir

1466
01:04:10,630 --> 01:04:08,510
yeah I'm convinced that you know they

1467
01:04:13,090 --> 01:04:10,640
tell the truth he didn't want to be

1468
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:13,100
involved with that he didn't expect to

1469
01:04:18,250 --> 01:04:16,850
see that and when he did see that he was

1470
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:18,260
thrown into the twilight zone

1471
01:04:22,060 --> 01:04:20,090
he's what all just turned upside down

1472
01:04:25,359 --> 01:04:22,070
and it was hounded by the media by

1473
01:04:26,859 --> 01:04:25,369
ufologists it took a family vacation a

1474
01:04:29,830 --> 01:04:26,869
day or so after that to get away from

1475
01:04:33,070 --> 01:04:29,840
the hullabaloo and when it came back it

1476
01:04:35,109 --> 01:04:33,080
was still ongoing you know and I mean

1477
01:04:37,180 --> 01:04:35,119
the other theories by Stuart Campbell of

1478
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:37,190
course it was blackballed laning then it

1479
01:04:42,010 --> 01:04:39,530
was the planet Venus it was a mirage of

1480
01:04:44,500 --> 01:04:42,020
Venus etcetera so we'll be looking at

1481
01:04:46,960 --> 01:04:44,510
all these theories and great detail in

1482
01:04:50,859 --> 01:04:46,970
this book yeah yeah interesting stuff

1483
01:04:52,599 --> 01:04:50,869
I'm looking forward to anyway we're

1484
01:04:53,620 --> 01:04:52,609
talking about the more you gonna be the

1485
01:04:55,720 --> 01:04:53,630
only what do you what do you consider

1486
01:05:00,490 --> 01:04:55,730
what's your thoughts on reincarnation

1487
01:05:01,930 --> 01:05:00,500
and I've company Internet in any of your

1488
01:05:03,550 --> 01:05:01,940
books if your reincarnation maybe

1489
01:05:05,710 --> 01:05:03,560
there's something for a book in the

1490
01:05:07,570 --> 01:05:05,720
future I think I may have touched it

1491
01:05:09,100 --> 01:05:07,580
gingerly and a couple in my paranormal

1492
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:09,110
series books but it

1493
01:05:13,320 --> 01:05:10,970
only present a couple of materials from

1494
01:05:16,300 --> 01:05:13,330
other people but to answer your question

1495
01:05:17,350 --> 01:05:16,310
reincarnation this is a biggie a big big

1496
01:05:19,450 --> 01:05:17,360
biggie

1497
01:05:21,850 --> 01:05:19,460
I mean a lot of cases come from India

1498
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:21,860
dr. Ian Stevenson researched a lot of

1499
01:05:26,650 --> 01:05:24,650
tales from their young cats in you're

1500
01:05:29,230 --> 01:05:26,660
not my mom you're not my dad my dad

1501
01:05:31,510 --> 01:05:29,240
lives five mile down the track and in to

1502
01:05:33,790 --> 01:05:31,520
take them there and they could tell them

1503
01:05:36,550 --> 01:05:33,800
everything about it and we have to be

1504
01:05:39,700 --> 01:05:36,560
careful and the reason I say that as

1505
01:05:42,030 --> 01:05:39,710
make it not just be cellular memory and

1506
01:05:45,820 --> 01:05:42,040
what I mean by that David is that

1507
01:05:48,910 --> 01:05:45,830
genetic memory inherited memory if you

1508
01:05:51,490 --> 01:05:48,920
got the grace hypnotically regressed and

1509
01:05:54,280 --> 01:05:51,500
taken by a contained you mean conjured

1510
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:54,290
up a story of a seafaring captain you

1511
01:05:58,450 --> 01:05:56,210
believe in your heart it's you

1512
01:06:01,480 --> 01:05:58,460
oh you about see freedom captain I was

1513
01:06:03,940 --> 01:06:01,490
on the high seas but then it may just be

1514
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:03,950
when you check your family tree going

1515
01:06:08,380 --> 01:06:06,890
through the generations ah but David

1516
01:06:10,630 --> 01:06:08,390
Young had a great great great

1517
01:06:13,570 --> 01:06:10,640
grandfather who actually was on the high

1518
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:13,580
seas so genetically the gene pool and

1519
01:06:20,320 --> 01:06:16,250
your makeup and your body still retains

1520
01:06:23,850 --> 01:06:20,330
that genetic genetic memory from family

1521
01:06:26,410 --> 01:06:23,860
history so get that may answer some

1522
01:06:28,900 --> 01:06:26,420
reincarnation you may think you love

1523
01:06:31,960 --> 01:06:28,910
before but you're reliving you are

1524
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:31,970
reliving your family trees previous

1525
01:06:35,890 --> 01:06:33,530
ancestors life

1526
01:06:37,210 --> 01:06:35,900
yes a possibility but then you get

1527
01:06:39,910 --> 01:06:37,220
people that come out with it with these

1528
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:39,920
ancient languages don't know dead

1529
01:06:43,750 --> 01:06:41,210
languages so I mean do you think that

1530
01:06:46,210 --> 01:06:43,760
could be the same sort of thing or it's

1531
01:06:48,580 --> 01:06:46,220
crazy because when you get some child

1532
01:06:49,780 --> 01:06:48,590
prodigies you put them in front of a

1533
01:06:52,030 --> 01:06:49,790
piano and they give you back what

1534
01:06:54,010 --> 01:06:52,040
Beethoven was though a faulty not and

1535
01:06:56,470 --> 01:06:54,020
wait a minute what's going on because

1536
01:06:58,990 --> 01:06:56,480
these guys have not physically trained

1537
01:07:02,650 --> 01:06:59,000
to learn the piano how an heiress of the

1538
01:07:04,990 --> 01:07:02,660
Linda's you know and people who go under

1539
01:07:06,850 --> 01:07:05,000
surgery and started speaking Spanish

1540
01:07:10,390 --> 01:07:06,860
they've never been in Spain or they come

1541
01:07:14,950 --> 01:07:10,400
out with a different language as having

1542
01:07:17,110 --> 01:07:14,960
said I do believe for all the

1543
01:07:19,990 --> 01:07:17,120
alternative explanations and I do

1544
01:07:22,599 --> 01:07:20,000
believe that yes maybe we do come back

1545
01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:22,609
and we only come back

1546
01:07:27,009 --> 01:07:24,890
through our folks and trying I know it

1547
01:07:29,710 --> 01:07:27,019
sounds Hollywood to try and Lancer your

1548
01:07:32,739 --> 01:07:29,720
folks and be that better person and as

1549
01:07:34,630 --> 01:07:32,749
such you know anyways somebody dictates

1550
01:07:37,269 --> 01:07:34,640
okay you have done your time you don't

1551
01:07:39,700 --> 01:07:37,279
have to come back and so maybe there's a

1552
01:07:41,289 --> 01:07:39,710
better both involved with us yeah well

1553
01:07:42,880 --> 01:07:41,299
it's one those unknown quantities that

1554
01:07:48,359 --> 01:07:42,890
we will never find out until we're

1555
01:07:53,079 --> 01:07:51,069
that's what's so fascinating about this

1556
01:07:55,180 --> 01:07:53,089
this wonderful subject of ours you know

1557
01:07:58,870 --> 01:07:55,190
with the paranormal and there's so many

1558
01:08:01,269 --> 01:07:58,880
different facets to it so intriguing and

1559
01:08:05,019 --> 01:08:01,279
that's why I'm interested in nursey and

1560
01:08:07,150 --> 01:08:05,029
big foots a squash UFOs has played a big

1561
01:08:09,759 --> 01:08:07,160
big part in my life you know through

1562
01:08:14,829 --> 01:08:09,769
Bonnie bridge through the faith case and

1563
01:08:17,649 --> 01:08:14,839
various other cases these if I if future

1564
01:08:19,300 --> 01:08:17,659
research dictates that certain cases

1565
01:08:21,579 --> 01:08:19,310
I've studied to have a natural

1566
01:08:23,470 --> 01:08:21,589
explanation I'll be the first to tell a

1567
01:08:25,689 --> 01:08:23,480
better not be the first to show a better

1568
01:08:28,229 --> 01:08:25,699
because don't want to hide under the

1569
01:08:31,539 --> 01:08:28,239
bushel um you know if a case is a

1570
01:08:35,890 --> 01:08:31,549
another answer that can be verified then

1571
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:35,900
by golly osya you know you know we had

1572
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:39,730
the boat down here from from york and

1573
01:08:43,359 --> 01:08:41,810
you have to get one you're sure the

1574
01:08:46,329 --> 01:08:43,369
event I know yeah you passed it bless

1575
01:08:47,740 --> 01:08:46,339
him old Bo easy coming up every few or a

1576
01:08:48,099 --> 01:08:47,750
couple of wit at least every once a week

1577
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:48,109
anyway

1578
01:08:51,700 --> 01:08:49,489
cool couple every couple of weeks and

1579
01:08:53,740 --> 01:08:51,710
he's always got a little story to tell

1580
01:08:56,260 --> 01:08:53,750
about his latest adventures but I know

1581
01:08:58,120 --> 01:08:56,270
you had quite a good adventure up in it

1582
01:08:59,499 --> 01:08:58,130
then it's good in taste I'll sign up and

1583
01:09:01,620 --> 01:08:59,509
say since he set you down he knows

1584
01:09:06,729 --> 01:09:01,630
things didn't you when he visited you

1585
01:09:08,499 --> 01:09:06,739
yes we went up the east tell me took a

1586
01:09:10,660 --> 01:09:08,509
number of photographs near me down

1587
01:09:12,430 --> 01:09:10,670
nicely in one of the streets it was it

1588
01:09:15,579 --> 01:09:12,440
was about 11:00 between 11:00 and 12:00

1589
01:09:17,140 --> 01:09:15,589
at night I think and he was taking

1590
01:09:19,090 --> 01:09:17,150
photographs of this guy and it was

1591
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:19,100
getting me strange or ablates coming up

1592
01:09:24,459 --> 01:09:21,770
and then suddenly I saw with my naked

1593
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:24,469
eye this explosion of lights and this

1594
01:09:28,899 --> 01:09:26,210
guy wasn't a firework nothing like that

1595
01:09:33,280 --> 01:09:28,909
only lasted maybe two to three seconds

1596
01:09:36,430 --> 01:09:33,290
David and just intensified and it was it

1597
01:09:38,200 --> 01:09:36,440
was a white circular or stayed there for

1598
01:09:41,290 --> 01:09:38,210
and since 83 seconds and it just

1599
01:09:43,630 --> 01:09:41,300
disappeared thankfully thankfully bill

1600
01:09:45,820 --> 01:09:43,640
had been taking a photograph of the sky

1601
01:09:51,010 --> 01:09:45,830
area and we managed to capture it on

1602
01:09:52,660 --> 01:09:51,020
film on sorry on photograph and so you

1603
01:09:55,810 --> 01:09:52,670
know it backs up what those been seeing

1604
01:09:59,260 --> 01:09:55,820
both said some amazing photographs of

1605
01:10:02,110 --> 01:09:59,270
orbs etc and but anybody who knows me

1606
01:10:05,730 --> 01:10:02,120
knows that I still believe some orbs can

1607
01:10:08,170 --> 01:10:05,740
be just moisture dust and sex and play

1608
01:10:10,090 --> 01:10:08,180
you know that some of the stuff that

1609
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:10,100
those getting is not that you know and

1610
01:10:16,690 --> 01:10:13,210
his encounters with shadow people etc is

1611
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:16,700
equally astonishing I mean some of the

1612
01:10:20,590 --> 01:10:18,770
bizarre stories that Bost told me and

1613
01:10:22,780 --> 01:10:20,600
one of them comes to mind right now as

1614
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:22,790
I'm speaking to you he was he was going

1615
01:10:26,980 --> 01:10:25,010
out of his front door to go to one of

1616
01:10:30,250 --> 01:10:26,990
his fields to take photographs of these

1617
01:10:33,430 --> 01:10:30,260
orbs etc they just walked out his front

1618
01:10:36,340 --> 01:10:33,440
door and he walked into a chimney I know

1619
01:10:38,380 --> 01:10:36,350
it says down a long told chimney he

1620
01:10:40,180 --> 01:10:38,390
looked up he bent he said backwards and

1621
01:10:42,250 --> 01:10:40,190
he could see all the red brick work

1622
01:10:44,620 --> 01:10:42,260
going our way up there went what the

1623
01:10:46,780 --> 01:10:44,630
hell is this it could hear the strains

1624
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:46,790
of Coronation Street and the living room

1625
01:10:51,790 --> 01:10:48,530
being played you know because the door

1626
01:10:53,100 --> 01:10:51,800
was wasn't fully shot what the hell is

1627
01:10:55,390 --> 01:10:53,110
this and then suddenly it just

1628
01:10:57,430 --> 01:10:55,400
disappeared then it could see the other

1629
01:11:00,070 --> 01:10:57,440
houses in the street in everyone no

1630
01:11:06,460 --> 01:11:00,080
that's just totally fascinating you know

1631
01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:06,470
absolutely crazy yes yeah sorry I'll

1632
01:11:08,980 --> 01:11:07,850
just fill just that me through your book

1633
01:11:11,320 --> 01:11:08,990
as well would you read you normally

1634
01:11:13,510 --> 01:11:11,330
there's chapter 5 is where alien build

1635
01:11:15,130 --> 01:11:13,520
is amazing photographs I know I've seen

1636
01:11:17,500 --> 01:11:15,140
quite a few of them and they were quite

1637
01:11:20,710 --> 01:11:17,510
quite amazing I mean Bill was actually

1638
01:11:24,100 --> 01:11:20,720
his hand was glowing wasn't it so for

1639
01:11:26,010 --> 01:11:24,110
several months when he when he had been

1640
01:11:28,270 --> 01:11:26,020
when he was having these things going on

1641
01:11:30,940 --> 01:11:28,280
yeah that's correct I mean there's a

1642
01:11:33,250 --> 01:11:30,950
period of years doesn't happen no where

1643
01:11:35,590 --> 01:11:33,260
is our Lord in his heart or his part of

1644
01:11:37,960 --> 01:11:35,600
his forearm in his hand would glow and

1645
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:37,970
this was verified by other people when

1646
01:11:42,250 --> 01:11:40,730
he's got them in various photographs and

1647
01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:42,260
I think there's some of these

1648
01:11:47,410 --> 01:11:44,690
photographs in the book but he's also

1649
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:47,420
taking this corner of light which she

1650
01:11:53,950 --> 01:11:50,090
got at the kelpies witches

1651
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:53,960
- massive began a horse structures made

1652
01:12:01,090 --> 01:11:56,330
out of Cana silver plating near Falkirk

1653
01:12:02,470 --> 01:12:01,100
and he went there himself we gotta taxi

1654
01:12:05,650 --> 01:12:02,480
out to the location

1655
01:12:06,820 --> 01:12:05,660
you know you're stayin in the area at

1656
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:06,830
the time it was up for a Scottish

1657
01:12:11,080 --> 01:12:09,290
conference and he went did himself and

1658
01:12:13,900 --> 01:12:11,090
they managed to capture this big

1659
01:12:16,690 --> 01:12:13,910
Chronicle Lake coming from the

1660
01:12:18,970 --> 01:12:16,700
background through the two horses heads

1661
01:12:20,890 --> 01:12:18,980
and that's in my book as well and

1662
01:12:24,430 --> 01:12:20,900
because a picture now actually is on

1663
01:12:29,260 --> 01:12:24,440
page 323 okay you can see bills hand a

1664
01:12:31,330 --> 01:12:29,270
light as well at the side of it so I

1665
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:31,340
mean it's fair play we have to wick it

1666
01:12:36,100 --> 01:12:33,770
to individuals like iliyan Bell there's

1667
01:12:38,970 --> 01:12:36,110
other people on Facebook who are taking

1668
01:12:42,850 --> 01:12:38,980
similar photographs strange bizarre

1669
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:42,860
stuff and everybody needs to be looked

1670
01:12:49,330 --> 01:12:46,370
at and spoken to and Bill has got his

1671
01:12:51,700 --> 01:12:49,340
own book coming out I believe if not

1672
01:12:52,960 --> 01:12:51,710
wait of this year so next year and I'm

1673
01:12:54,730 --> 01:12:52,970
looking forward to that one I'll tell

1674
01:12:56,770 --> 01:12:54,740
you well I think he was trying to get it

1675
01:12:58,330 --> 01:12:56,780
out last year but it was still whistle

1676
01:13:00,790 --> 01:12:58,340
wait you know these having so many

1677
01:13:03,010 --> 01:13:00,800
pictures put into it isn't he that I

1678
01:13:05,650 --> 01:13:03,020
don't know how cost cost boys it's gonna

1679
01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:05,660
be Gainey actually out into the market

1680
01:13:09,730 --> 01:13:07,130
but I think he's gonna be quite

1681
01:13:10,900 --> 01:13:09,740
expensive there in the first place

1682
01:13:12,970 --> 01:13:10,910
because I think he was looking at doing

1683
01:13:14,740 --> 01:13:12,980
a hardback version and I told you I

1684
01:13:18,070 --> 01:13:14,750
think you might be looking something

1685
01:13:21,990 --> 01:13:18,080
it's so expensive to do that so we

1686
01:13:24,430 --> 01:13:22,000
reason with it I don't know yeah I

1687
01:13:30,180 --> 01:13:24,440
stopped it no you've got enough

1688
01:13:32,830 --> 01:13:30,190
photographs you can do yeah you know but

1689
01:13:38,850 --> 01:13:32,840
you know it's what he wants and I'm sure

1690
01:13:43,720 --> 01:13:42,100
you alluded to some supporting our

1691
01:13:49,510 --> 01:13:43,730
stories have you got any more popular

1692
01:13:52,330 --> 01:13:49,520
stories you can tell us yeah anyway the

1693
01:13:54,820 --> 01:13:52,340
the gap Mon Road one which was not so

1694
01:13:57,070 --> 01:13:54,830
famous as the other one the gap moon

1695
01:13:59,590 --> 01:13:57,080
roads poor gastrous and the early

1696
01:14:03,790 --> 01:13:59,600
nineties where as their main sake people

1697
01:14:06,700 --> 01:14:03,800
against occurred in 1960 and

1698
01:14:08,410 --> 01:14:06,710
very very briefly is a well-known story

1699
01:14:10,420 --> 01:14:08,420
but again if you've got any overseas

1700
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:10,430
listeners perhaps you've not had that so

1701
01:14:16,990 --> 01:14:13,610
they've been used for them eleven years

1702
01:14:18,940 --> 01:14:17,000
of age Virginia Campbell Campbell came

1703
01:14:22,030 --> 01:14:18,950
over from Donegal in Ireland with her

1704
01:14:23,620 --> 01:14:22,040
parents she didn't want to come her life

1705
01:14:25,480 --> 01:14:23,630
was over there the friends were over

1706
01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:25,490
there a wee dog Toby was over there

1707
01:14:28,870 --> 01:14:27,530
You've coming to Scotland when moving

1708
01:14:32,050 --> 01:14:28,880
said her father

1709
01:14:35,410 --> 01:14:32,060
and so they came over to a place called

1710
01:14:39,490 --> 01:14:35,420
sake which is near Allah WA and sterling

1711
01:14:41,440 --> 01:14:39,500
and Central Scotland and no sooner had

1712
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:41,450
they arrived at their home in Park

1713
01:14:48,130 --> 01:14:44,930
Crescent then strange things started to

1714
01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:48,140
happen her bed would vibrate but

1715
01:14:52,990 --> 01:14:50,570
knockings and wrappings coming from the

1716
01:14:55,570 --> 01:14:53,000
various parts of the house there was

1717
01:14:57,730 --> 01:14:55,580
like a ball or heavy medicine bogum bum

1718
01:15:01,330 --> 01:14:57,740
ba-bum ba-bum down the stairs when

1719
01:15:03,280 --> 01:15:01,340
nobody was there such was the intensity

1720
01:15:05,380 --> 01:15:03,290
of the things that was happening in the

1721
01:15:09,010 --> 01:15:05,390
family home that the local doctor became

1722
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:09,020
involved and he himself saw what was

1723
01:15:14,680 --> 01:15:12,170
going on he attended Virginia and a bed

1724
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:14,690
one night and next in Virginia was just

1725
01:15:20,350 --> 01:15:17,690
a normal pillow but suddenly it was like

1726
01:15:23,110 --> 01:15:20,360
a shape of a head depressing on this

1727
01:15:25,060 --> 01:15:23,120
pillow next to Virginia and in the

1728
01:15:27,820 --> 01:15:25,070
headboard started to rattle and bang

1729
01:15:30,190 --> 01:15:27,830
he took pray he realized something was

1730
01:15:33,070 --> 01:15:30,200
going on and then there was other

1731
01:15:36,310 --> 01:15:33,080
dignitaries came in as well and there

1732
01:15:38,350 --> 01:15:36,320
was someone saw this heavy London chest

1733
01:15:41,110 --> 01:15:38,360
rise a few inches off the floor and

1734
01:15:43,350 --> 01:15:41,120
clatter back down again now if that

1735
01:15:46,710 --> 01:15:43,360
wasn't enough David the events

1736
01:15:49,960 --> 01:15:46,720
transpired they moved to their school

1737
01:15:52,120 --> 01:15:49,970
now very very briefly cuz it's quite a

1738
01:15:55,900 --> 01:15:52,130
lot going on with a story on one

1739
01:15:58,690 --> 01:15:55,910
occasion Virginia was utter desk in her

1740
01:16:01,780 --> 01:15:58,700
classroom and back in 1960 the

1741
01:16:04,090 --> 01:16:01,790
classrooms were up to 50 60 pupils and

1742
01:16:06,820 --> 01:16:04,100
these classrooms back in the day and

1743
01:16:09,100 --> 01:16:06,830
we're all busy waiting and mend up

1744
01:16:12,070 --> 01:16:09,110
jotters during the resi apart from

1745
01:16:14,830 --> 01:16:12,080
Virginia Virginia had a four arms trying

1746
01:16:17,410 --> 01:16:14,840
to put forces darkness this led of a

1747
01:16:19,150 --> 01:16:17,420
desk and the teacher said but

1748
01:16:21,880 --> 01:16:19,160
yeah stop that what are you doing

1749
01:16:24,610 --> 01:16:21,890
nothing must stop that so Virginia

1750
01:16:26,709 --> 01:16:24,620
released have four arms from a desolate

1751
01:16:28,510 --> 01:16:26,719
and their deaths let started a flower

1752
01:16:30,550 --> 01:16:28,520
flower flower flower flower up and down

1753
01:16:32,439 --> 01:16:30,560
up and down them down and they're on

1754
01:16:34,900 --> 01:16:32,449
another occasion she was approaching the

1755
01:16:37,540 --> 01:16:34,910
teacher's desk and I interviewed this

1756
01:16:40,030 --> 01:16:37,550
teacher she says Malcolm at that time

1757
01:16:42,959 --> 01:16:40,040
1860 I didn't know what a poor against

1758
01:16:46,060 --> 01:16:42,969
was I had no idea she says my remember

1759
01:16:48,220 --> 01:16:46,070
Virginia approached my desk and she had

1760
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:48,230
a big long wooden deaths in the nineteen

1761
01:16:52,840 --> 01:16:50,090
sixties begged teachers wooden desk

1762
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:52,850
she says that King the king was lying

1763
01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:55,130
flat on the table and as she approached

1764
01:16:59,950 --> 01:16:57,290
that the King started which was lying

1765
01:17:02,050 --> 01:16:59,960
flat started to vibrate vibrate vibrate

1766
01:17:04,209 --> 01:17:02,060
then it stood up horizontally and

1767
01:17:07,660 --> 01:17:04,219
started thump and thump and on the table

1768
01:17:09,580 --> 01:17:07,670
and at that point the desk rose up maybe

1769
01:17:12,100 --> 01:17:09,590
a few centimeters from the floor and

1770
01:17:14,530 --> 01:17:12,110
started spinning around so where the

1771
01:17:17,530 --> 01:17:14,540
teacher stomach was in front of the long

1772
01:17:20,169 --> 01:17:17,540
part of the desk no the short part of

1773
01:17:22,750 --> 01:17:20,179
the desk was facing a stomach at that

1774
01:17:25,930 --> 01:17:22,760
point the whole class just erupted it

1775
01:17:28,810 --> 01:17:25,940
and screams and terrified screams so the

1776
01:17:30,910 --> 01:17:28,820
teacher got rushed to the classroom door

1777
01:17:33,669 --> 01:17:30,920
and says okay children calm down calm

1778
01:17:36,160 --> 01:17:33,679
down states to calm down and she tried

1779
01:17:39,700 --> 01:17:36,170
to open the the door of the classroom

1780
01:17:41,530 --> 01:17:39,710
but found she couldn't it was like a big

1781
01:17:43,540 --> 01:17:41,540
heavy man was on the other side of the

1782
01:17:45,610 --> 01:17:43,550
door pulling it back so she couldn't

1783
01:17:47,620 --> 01:17:45,620
open the door and she said something

1784
01:17:49,300 --> 01:17:47,630
selling like oh dear there must be one

1785
01:17:51,250 --> 01:17:49,310
day today they're the ones maybe jammed

1786
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:51,260
the door or I don't know and then

1787
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:53,810
suddenly the door just released and all

1788
01:17:58,390 --> 01:17:56,570
these kids it was like a cartoon or two

1789
01:18:00,760 --> 01:17:58,400
three schematics trying to get through

1790
01:18:01,780 --> 01:18:00,770
this door you know that's the fact so

1791
01:18:04,060 --> 01:18:01,790
matter what the amount of those

1792
01:18:05,880 --> 01:18:04,070
witnesses actually saw that happening he

1793
01:18:08,290 --> 01:18:05,890
was actually quite amazing there and

1794
01:18:10,570 --> 01:18:08,300
didn't hear that case features very

1795
01:18:14,050 --> 01:18:10,580
heavily and part animal kiss fails one

1796
01:18:17,380 --> 01:18:14,060
book available on Amazon and we're the

1797
01:18:22,209 --> 01:18:17,390
feels would be plug they're all on the

1798
01:18:25,959 --> 01:18:22,219
website I mean that was particularly

1799
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:25,969
worrying for Virginia and there was

1800
01:18:30,040 --> 01:18:28,010
quite a lot involved with our case sadly

1801
01:18:31,120 --> 01:18:30,050
she moved away from the area and to this

1802
01:18:32,500 --> 01:18:31,130
day

1803
01:18:35,740 --> 01:18:32,510
won't know where shares I'd absolutely

1804
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:35,750
love to know where Shia's i reinter

1805
01:18:39,939 --> 01:18:38,090
viewed some of the classmates former

1806
01:18:43,060 --> 01:18:39,949
classmates of idiot Virginia and they

1807
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:43,070
went Malcolm hope by grace yes oh did we

1808
01:18:48,700 --> 01:18:46,010
see that my god yes we saw that they

1809
01:18:50,500 --> 01:18:48,710
will never forget you know and when it

1810
01:18:53,590 --> 01:18:50,510
did some reinvestigation of the case

1811
01:18:56,850 --> 01:18:53,600
when I loved in Scotland I went to one

1812
01:18:59,669 --> 01:18:56,860
of the auntie's door right and

1813
01:19:02,140 --> 01:18:59,679
incredibly she only stayed about what

1814
01:19:04,209 --> 01:19:02,150
three four hundred yards from my own

1815
01:19:05,979 --> 01:19:04,219
house I didn't know at the time so I

1816
01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:05,989
knocked on the door yes could help you

1817
01:19:10,030 --> 01:19:08,210
yeah sorry to disturb you my name is

1818
01:19:12,669 --> 01:19:10,040
Malcolm Robinson I'm doing a

1819
01:19:16,450 --> 01:19:12,679
reinvestigation now Viet Nisa a family

1820
01:19:18,629 --> 01:19:16,460
in East of Virginia Campbell bang the

1821
01:19:21,189 --> 01:19:18,639
door was slammed firmly in my face

1822
01:19:24,189 --> 01:19:21,199
almost took my nose off and that's the

1823
01:19:27,250 --> 01:19:24,199
only time in all my research adore has

1824
01:19:29,680 --> 01:19:27,260
been firmly slammed in my face and it

1825
01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:29,690
was only and another thing I should same

1826
01:19:36,669 --> 01:19:32,449
my mother who's still loving thank God

1827
01:19:38,890 --> 01:19:36,679
she actually loves a cross from the sake

1828
01:19:41,050 --> 01:19:38,900
poor against house so I was up in

1829
01:19:43,330 --> 01:19:41,060
Scotland recently and looking at my

1830
01:19:46,990 --> 01:19:43,340
mother's window I can see the sake poor

1831
01:19:49,090 --> 01:19:47,000
okay so soft 1960 and this is crazy who

1832
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:49,100
think life teacher you know hmm

1833
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:51,290
wasn't there another sake public last as

1834
01:20:01,510 --> 01:19:54,530
well the emotion suddenly remember 2000

1835
01:20:03,729 --> 01:20:01,520
you received a telephone call there was

1836
01:20:05,379 --> 01:20:03,739
another case I can't remember off the

1837
01:20:07,300 --> 01:20:05,389
top of my head where that was just no

1838
01:20:11,229 --> 01:20:07,310
David but there was another one in sake

1839
01:20:13,479 --> 01:20:11,239
yeah yeah I'm sold you something I'm

1840
01:20:15,160 --> 01:20:13,489
picking little bit the book sir ask your

1841
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:15,170
questions on this this the trouble is

1842
01:20:20,050 --> 01:20:17,690
there's so much to look at it sir you

1843
01:20:22,270 --> 01:20:20,060
got the two got the got morn Road

1844
01:20:31,600 --> 01:20:22,280
poltergeist as well

1845
01:20:34,870 --> 01:20:31,610
Central Scotland if you remember and I

1846
01:20:37,180 --> 01:20:34,880
mean they were terrified OST God the

1847
01:20:39,810 --> 01:20:37,190
lost year after season they were really

1848
01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:39,820
terrified and

1849
01:20:43,720 --> 01:20:41,810
I'll tell you another story I don't

1850
01:20:46,540 --> 01:20:43,730
normally tell this one on radio or not

1851
01:20:47,740 --> 01:20:46,550
but oh here we go here we go every house

1852
01:20:50,620 --> 01:20:47,750
outsi jacuzzi

1853
01:20:53,919 --> 01:20:50,630
here's an exclusive I was drinking in an

1854
01:20:57,100 --> 01:20:53,929
Aloha Papa and this man kept looking at

1855
01:20:59,979 --> 01:20:57,110
me drawn me daggers I know it got what

1856
01:21:01,930 --> 01:20:59,989
my Donovan oi Disgaea whoever done and

1857
01:21:05,590 --> 01:21:01,940
then suddenly it rushed over to me

1858
01:21:07,479 --> 01:21:05,600
grabbed me by the throat drew me up the

1859
01:21:09,370 --> 01:21:07,489
wall a captain character well my legs

1860
01:21:11,620 --> 01:21:09,380
I'm not even standing on the floor and

1861
01:21:14,830 --> 01:21:11,630
he says don't you dare go near my wife

1862
01:21:19,060 --> 01:21:14,840
again I'm a pardon it says you've been

1863
01:21:21,459 --> 01:21:19,070
since you have been seen going into my

1864
01:21:23,650 --> 01:21:21,469
wife's house and then the penny dropped

1865
01:21:26,950 --> 01:21:23,660
something got more good yes I think out

1866
01:21:29,140 --> 01:21:26,960
my lord whoa me no no no I'm not there

1867
01:21:31,959 --> 01:21:29,150
is see your wife that's a supporter gage

1868
01:21:33,790 --> 01:21:31,969
case and of course that didn't wash you

1869
01:21:35,979 --> 01:21:33,800
know that didn't wash it I said well

1870
01:21:37,330 --> 01:21:35,989
he's held all the excuses it's a cooler

1871
01:21:40,030 --> 01:21:37,340
guess what you're talking about

1872
01:21:41,680 --> 01:21:40,040
so I basically I managed to get through

1873
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:41,690
to him because so many mommies so there

1874
01:21:45,939 --> 01:21:43,850
it is not seriously honestly this chap

1875
01:21:47,709 --> 01:21:45,949
has been going there nothing silly going

1876
01:21:49,720 --> 01:21:47,719
on it's it's truly that and he he's

1877
01:21:51,850 --> 01:21:49,730
slowly released his grip on my neck and

1878
01:21:54,790 --> 01:21:51,860
my feet managed to touch the floor but

1879
01:21:56,919 --> 01:21:54,800
quite a scary occurrence another thing I

1880
01:22:01,240 --> 01:21:56,929
could tell you about the got one case as

1881
01:22:03,669 --> 01:22:01,250
a mo not all you know we took the family

1882
01:22:07,689 --> 01:22:03,679
to the local spiritualist Church ala

1883
01:22:10,990 --> 01:22:07,699
watch own home and so I was there and it

1884
01:22:12,970 --> 01:22:11,000
told the story to the the people who run

1885
01:22:15,490 --> 01:22:12,980
the Ala without their spiritualist

1886
01:22:18,370 --> 01:22:15,500
people and then suddenly from our room

1887
01:22:19,990 --> 01:22:18,380
above their heads they had Boom Boom

1888
01:22:22,650 --> 01:22:20,000
Boom Boom

1889
01:22:25,419 --> 01:22:22,660
and so the chairlady of that name it oh

1890
01:22:27,310 --> 01:22:25,429
what's up banging that there's nobody up

1891
01:22:29,860 --> 01:22:27,320
there that rooms empty

1892
01:22:32,680 --> 01:22:29,870
so myself and all of the other people

1893
01:22:34,540 --> 01:22:32,690
from the room went upstairs peered

1894
01:22:38,770 --> 01:22:34,550
through this glass on it was a glass

1895
01:22:40,840 --> 01:22:38,780
door and did we miss blank dark nobody

1896
01:22:43,000 --> 01:22:40,850
was in were no lights on and then this

1897
01:22:45,100 --> 01:22:43,010
lady from Garmin watches yeah there you

1898
01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:45,110
go there you go the harm is all the same

1899
01:22:50,650 --> 01:22:47,330
but even following us here even if all

1900
01:22:52,900 --> 01:22:50,660
of us here and that's why the subject is

1901
01:22:58,180 --> 01:22:52,910
so special when you get stories like up

1902
01:23:00,490 --> 01:22:58,190
yeah don't match with those things like

1903
01:23:02,950 --> 01:23:00,500
Ouija boards and oh we've done that many

1904
01:23:07,300 --> 01:23:02,960
sciences and what are your opinions on

1905
01:23:11,370 --> 01:23:07,310
what goes on with solo seances well I do

1906
01:23:14,560 --> 01:23:11,380
believe that we do boards do work shadow

1907
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:14,570
on a number of levels first of all

1908
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:16,250
you've got people pushing it

1909
01:23:21,430 --> 01:23:19,010
are people not trying to push it but

1910
01:23:23,890 --> 01:23:21,440
that maybe scared that the fingers of

1911
01:23:26,140 --> 01:23:23,900
twitching and so as such everybody's

1912
01:23:28,930 --> 01:23:26,150
fingers are twitching and it moves so

1913
01:23:30,670 --> 01:23:28,940
there's that and then of course you have

1914
01:23:33,460 --> 01:23:30,680
what I believe it's to be earthbound

1915
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:33,470
spirits who are masquerading as your

1916
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:36,050
auntie Agnes and your uncle Tommy and so

1917
01:23:39,970 --> 01:23:37,610
they're telling you who they are and

1918
01:23:41,830 --> 01:23:39,980
they're not truly your kin they're just

1919
01:23:42,160 --> 01:23:41,840
masquerading as stuff I do believe it

1920
01:23:44,710 --> 01:23:42,170
works

1921
01:23:47,500 --> 01:23:44,720
shouting bud oh yeah I don't like with

1922
01:23:49,180 --> 01:23:47,510
you there but you do get the mischievous

1923
01:23:50,260 --> 01:23:49,190
spirits don't you that sounds like to

1924
01:23:53,050 --> 01:23:50,270
just play them they're just playing

1925
01:23:55,150 --> 01:23:53,060
games really it's a very dangerous to

1926
01:23:58,180 --> 01:23:55,160
certainly Whitney advocated to any kids

1927
01:24:01,780 --> 01:23:58,190
and even know it was manufactured in the

1928
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:01,790
states by John Waddington as a play game

1929
01:24:07,510 --> 01:24:05,090
so to speak you know but it can be

1930
01:24:09,790 --> 01:24:07,520
dangerous and I would advocate only use

1931
01:24:11,260 --> 01:24:09,800
by professional people people who know

1932
01:24:15,040 --> 01:24:11,270
what they're doing not young kids for

1933
01:24:16,810 --> 01:24:15,050
sure so and I mean next to that of

1934
01:24:19,030 --> 01:24:16,820
course you've got your table tilting

1935
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:19,040
which I've tried as well have you tried

1936
01:24:23,770 --> 01:24:22,130
that yeah yeah in fact so I had a bit of

1937
01:24:25,750 --> 01:24:23,780
an experience it was probably about a

1938
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:25,760
year or so going there we went to a

1939
01:24:31,420 --> 01:24:28,850
ghost hunt night and there was a table

1940
01:24:33,340 --> 01:24:31,430
tipping going on and I actually took my

1941
01:24:36,400 --> 01:24:33,350
hands off the table and the table was

1942
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:36,410
lifting or up away from men it felt you

1943
01:24:39,900 --> 01:24:38,090
know it feel like it was a spring

1944
01:24:41,950 --> 01:24:39,910
underneath it it was weird

1945
01:24:43,270 --> 01:24:41,960
you've probably had that same experience

1946
01:24:51,150 --> 01:24:43,280
I don't know but it did yes you feel

1947
01:24:57,370 --> 01:24:53,980
neeyala and there was a massive big

1948
01:25:00,070 --> 01:24:57,380
square wooden table very very heavy

1949
01:25:02,950 --> 01:25:00,080
thing this big circular tubular wooden

1950
01:25:04,930 --> 01:25:02,960
legs you know ordinate legs and then so

1951
01:25:07,150 --> 01:25:04,940
two or three people had two hands on it

1952
01:25:09,850 --> 01:25:07,160
and is anybody there

1953
01:25:12,430 --> 01:25:09,860
and I mean what rose right up on two

1954
01:25:14,890 --> 01:25:12,440
legs I mean okay right that's good okay

1955
01:25:17,230 --> 01:25:14,900
we know you're there now and you can

1956
01:25:21,130 --> 01:25:17,240
take it back don't know now when it

1957
01:25:22,870 --> 01:25:21,140
started to slowly go down itself and as

1958
01:25:25,170 --> 01:25:22,880
it got to a certain area as she'd have

1959
01:25:27,550 --> 01:25:25,180
dropped like a stone because you know

1960
01:25:29,980 --> 01:25:27,560
you know I was coming down

1961
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:29,990
Oh hands are on top of the table not

1962
01:25:35,770 --> 01:25:32,090
below it to lord it down so it should

1963
01:25:38,230 --> 01:25:35,780
have dropped like a stone yeah just just

1964
01:25:40,570 --> 01:25:38,240
came down or all of its own self very

1965
01:25:43,480 --> 01:25:40,580
very slowly and it's legs touch the

1966
01:25:47,020 --> 01:25:43,490
carpet again that seemed mate by the way

1967
01:25:49,780 --> 01:25:47,030
that same night that table was dead for

1968
01:25:51,790 --> 01:25:49,790
I called dancing I mean bananas it

1969
01:25:53,470 --> 01:25:51,800
started going up on two legs the other

1970
01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:53,480
two legs then the two legs and the other

1971
01:25:59,080 --> 01:25:56,810
two legs it got that jumpy that we

1972
01:26:01,540 --> 01:25:59,090
actually had to come off a sheets and it

1973
01:26:04,330 --> 01:26:01,550
moved about the room it was hilarious it

1974
01:26:06,160 --> 01:26:04,340
was like summer comedy show we weren't

1975
01:26:08,220 --> 01:26:06,170
moving around the room and at which that

1976
01:26:11,350 --> 01:26:08,230
did to go through the hallway as well

1977
01:26:13,570 --> 01:26:11,360
I'll never forget it's these things that

1978
01:26:15,430 --> 01:26:13,580
indelibly stamped in my manger yeah I

1979
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:15,440
mean I must say the one where we were

1980
01:26:18,730 --> 01:26:16,850
involved when I was doing it was like a

1981
01:26:21,220 --> 01:26:18,740
small table it wasn't a big deal you

1982
01:26:22,780 --> 01:26:21,230
could have lifted it quite easily but it

1983
01:26:25,150 --> 01:26:22,790
felt to me is I mean there was probably

1984
01:26:28,210 --> 01:26:25,160
about eight people around it but I

1985
01:26:29,710 --> 01:26:28,220
wanted to lift my hands off to some - I

1986
01:26:31,630 --> 01:26:29,720
think you do that so let everyone know

1987
01:26:34,630 --> 01:26:31,640
that you're not pushing it you know yeah

1988
01:26:36,580 --> 01:26:34,640
not so fact that there but then I'm

1989
01:26:38,440 --> 01:26:36,590
pushing down and else at what at this

1990
01:26:39,910 --> 01:26:38,450
something under it you know look around

1991
01:26:44,770 --> 01:26:39,920
there's nothing you could see it's

1992
01:26:47,350 --> 01:26:44,780
really you know something else's I've

1993
01:26:51,250 --> 01:26:47,360
never thought about for years and it was

1994
01:26:52,990 --> 01:26:51,260
again maybe I was about 10 or 11 I was

1995
01:26:57,190 --> 01:26:53,000
still living in a Tommy body and

1996
01:26:59,770 --> 01:26:57,200
Scotland and we never have a no eg board

1997
01:27:02,230 --> 01:26:59,780
but meet my friend and I had a board of

1998
01:27:04,870 --> 01:27:02,240
sorts and we cut out letters and we had

1999
01:27:06,550 --> 01:27:04,880
one of those little comedy skulls with

2000
01:27:09,970 --> 01:27:06,560
feet on it you know you're wound up in

2001
01:27:12,760 --> 01:27:09,980
the Figo's with 10 or 11 year old and

2002
01:27:14,860 --> 01:27:12,770
then so which IT context but it's I was

2003
01:27:17,620 --> 01:27:14,870
not interested in it at the time I'm

2004
01:27:20,500 --> 01:27:17,630
only 10 and 11 I mean suddenly suddenly

2005
01:27:22,810 --> 01:27:20,510
my mother Boston the room what

2006
01:27:24,879 --> 01:27:22,820
you doing stop that one said I got a

2007
01:27:27,339 --> 01:27:24,889
slap and the board went up in the air

2008
01:27:28,930 --> 01:27:27,349
and now you know and see something which

2009
01:27:30,609 --> 01:27:28,940
tells me that story I'm gonna go back to

2010
01:27:35,859 --> 01:27:30,619
Scotland or do you remember the time

2011
01:27:38,740 --> 01:27:35,869
when that happened I bet it I'll tell

2012
01:27:41,290 --> 01:27:38,750
you what but your big Easter Bunny

2013
01:27:42,819 --> 01:27:41,300
Bridge UFO case I think I can't so we

2014
01:27:45,910 --> 01:27:42,829
can't stop this show about you go to

2015
01:27:48,129 --> 01:27:45,920
Internet I don't think yeah Bonnie

2016
01:27:50,350 --> 01:27:48,139
bridges as am i something for me

2017
01:27:54,370 --> 01:27:50,360
obviously that that was a major case for

2018
01:27:57,370 --> 01:27:54,380
me and I started in 1992 when I heard a

2019
01:27:59,680 --> 01:27:57,380
radio broadcast on Central FM by Jane

2020
01:28:01,930 --> 01:27:59,690
Bari ethic of name was she was telling

2021
01:28:04,299 --> 01:28:01,940
that listeners about these yeah for

2022
01:28:08,049 --> 01:28:04,309
settings across this level and shared

2023
01:28:10,750 --> 01:28:08,059
term called Bonnie bridge I'm not sure

2024
01:28:13,180 --> 01:28:10,760
was counselor Billy Buchanan I decided

2025
01:28:15,459 --> 01:28:13,190
to get in touch with the with Seashore

2026
01:28:19,180 --> 01:28:15,469
met up with counsel and Buckhannon

2027
01:28:21,669 --> 01:28:19,190
anyway oh thank God you are here that is

2028
01:28:23,890 --> 01:28:21,679
why he says nobody believes in what's

2029
01:28:25,839 --> 01:28:23,900
going on in Bonnie Burton for you to

2030
01:28:28,450 --> 01:28:25,849
take an interest in us our Malcolm I

2031
01:28:31,629 --> 01:28:28,460
can't thank you enough so to cut a long

2032
01:28:33,669 --> 01:28:31,639
long long story short I soon realized

2033
01:28:35,919 --> 01:28:33,679
after speaking to some witnesses here we

2034
01:28:38,350 --> 01:28:35,929
are we a minute yeah we have something

2035
01:28:40,270 --> 01:28:38,360
seriously going on here they aware of

2036
01:28:43,509 --> 01:28:40,280
course they can our cases which we could

2037
01:28:45,009 --> 01:28:43,519
have been aircraft meteors you know that

2038
01:28:46,419 --> 01:28:45,019
type of thing we ruled their mo of

2039
01:28:48,700 --> 01:28:46,429
course we ruled them out you know we're

2040
01:28:50,859 --> 01:28:48,710
not selling they ruled them out and we

2041
01:28:53,290 --> 01:28:50,869
checked with the national airports the

2042
01:28:55,029 --> 01:28:53,300
local airports like combine old airport

2043
01:28:58,209 --> 01:28:55,039
we checked with the minister defense

2044
01:29:00,100 --> 01:28:58,219
which every flying clubs the Met Office

2045
01:29:02,620 --> 01:29:00,110
to see if there were any release of

2046
01:29:04,299 --> 01:29:02,630
weather balloons we dotted the i's and

2047
01:29:06,310 --> 01:29:04,309
cross the t's to ensure that we were

2048
01:29:10,959 --> 01:29:06,320
doing a job correctly in the for the

2049
01:29:13,450 --> 01:29:10,969
Bonnie Blue Julia and in 1994 we had a

2050
01:29:16,859 --> 01:29:13,460
first major conference at Falkirk town

2051
01:29:19,870 --> 01:29:16,869
hall which was absolutely sold out

2052
01:29:21,580 --> 01:29:19,880
because by that time you know the the

2053
01:29:23,560 --> 01:29:21,590
Bonnie bridge enigma hadn't just went

2054
01:29:25,180 --> 01:29:23,570
through Scotland and the UK went all

2055
01:29:28,419 --> 01:29:25,190
over Europe and all over the world

2056
01:29:30,490 --> 01:29:28,429
and there was 800 people in the volcker

2057
01:29:33,220 --> 01:29:30,500
town hall at night was there as many a

2058
01:29:34,120 --> 01:29:33,230
lot to couldn't get him I give her a

2059
01:29:41,050 --> 01:29:34,130
present

2060
01:29:43,420 --> 01:29:41,060
rock group ce4 that the wonderful UFO

2061
01:29:45,160 --> 01:29:43,430
music on stage with dry ice flooding

2062
01:29:50,950 --> 01:29:45,170
down off the stage Internet and to the

2063
01:29:53,500 --> 01:29:50,960
cloud it was great fantastic and so that

2064
01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:53,510
body but clearly but there was something

2065
01:29:57,640 --> 01:29:55,370
going on and it's still going on but

2066
01:30:01,180 --> 01:29:57,650
maybe not as big as it did in the

2067
01:30:04,210 --> 01:30:01,190
nineties for sure but body budget played

2068
01:30:06,720 --> 01:30:04,220
a big big part and my life we say things

2069
01:30:09,520 --> 01:30:06,730
we saw some weird stuff in the sky there

2070
01:30:11,680 --> 01:30:09,530
have been a number of fascinating cases

2071
01:30:13,630 --> 01:30:11,690
coming from there again all in that

2072
01:30:17,830 --> 01:30:13,640
first day yeah four key swells number

2073
01:30:19,300 --> 01:30:17,840
one on Amazon there's another flood so

2074
01:30:23,650 --> 01:30:19,310
what were these covers on the new way so

2075
01:30:25,870 --> 01:30:23,660
people yeah we're dealt with there many

2076
01:30:27,970 --> 01:30:25,880
TV stations came from all over the world

2077
01:30:30,250 --> 01:30:27,980
a that the Japanese I think some of this

2078
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:30,260
can be found on YouTube if not a bit

2079
01:30:36,310 --> 01:30:33,530
good nonce in Japanese television German

2080
01:30:38,830 --> 01:30:36,320
television Dutch television no story

2081
01:30:41,740 --> 01:30:38,840
about the Dutch they came over to

2082
01:30:43,660 --> 01:30:41,750
interview me from Holland and sat me

2083
01:30:47,260 --> 01:30:43,670
down in my own living room and I made

2084
01:30:49,030 --> 01:30:47,270
them very welcome lovely lovely man who

2085
01:30:51,640 --> 01:30:49,040
was going to interview me very very nice

2086
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:51,650
very nice guy and then the red light on

2087
01:30:57,750 --> 01:30:55,010
the camera went on so Malcolm yeah

2088
01:31:00,910 --> 01:30:57,760
awesome Barnabas what older of us yes I

2089
01:31:02,350 --> 01:31:00,920
know I know it was Whitnall know the

2090
01:31:04,720 --> 01:31:02,360
action near David it was written for me

2091
01:31:06,700 --> 01:31:04,730
too loser no not at all I mean

2092
01:31:08,260 --> 01:31:06,710
everybody's got that opinion so I calmly

2093
01:31:10,390 --> 01:31:08,270
told them you know everybody's got

2094
01:31:13,690 --> 01:31:10,400
yellow plate and then I launched into

2095
01:31:16,450 --> 01:31:13,700
what was going on with with the

2096
01:31:18,430 --> 01:31:16,460
sightings and Bonnie rich and coleslaw

2097
01:31:20,170 --> 01:31:18,440
belly Buchanan is going to be speaking

2098
01:31:22,570 --> 01:31:20,180
about the sightings in Bonnie bridge

2099
01:31:25,470 --> 01:31:22,580
this year and the Glasgow University at

2100
01:31:28,750 --> 01:31:25,480
the Scottish year for conference tickets

2101
01:31:30,640 --> 01:31:28,760
are available just know so if anybody

2102
01:31:33,460 --> 01:31:30,650
wants to come to this conference we

2103
01:31:35,200 --> 01:31:33,470
Alison Dunlop Ron holiday and others do

2104
01:31:37,810 --> 01:31:35,210
please come along to this because you'll

2105
01:31:39,280 --> 01:31:37,820
get your eyes open if for sure you know

2106
01:31:42,310 --> 01:31:39,290
sitting only ten pounds on that as I

2107
01:31:43,810 --> 01:31:42,320
understand it correct yeah that's ten

2108
01:31:45,760 --> 01:31:43,820
phone for the day I mean a full day's

2109
01:31:50,600 --> 01:31:45,770
entertainment you know you don't get

2110
01:31:55,679 --> 01:31:53,639
but I mean gone back to born any I

2111
01:31:58,770 --> 01:31:55,689
just feel that it's one of these what we

2112
01:32:01,500 --> 01:31:58,780
call wendell areas and that's an area or

2113
01:32:03,899 --> 01:32:01,510
location which seems to attract a higher

2114
01:32:05,819 --> 01:32:03,909
concentration of UFO reports than

2115
01:32:08,250 --> 01:32:05,829
anywhere else of course

2116
01:32:12,389 --> 01:32:08,260
why that should be as they authentic

2117
01:32:14,520 --> 01:32:12,399
question we could speculate to the coast

2118
01:32:17,939 --> 01:32:14,530
come home my body bridges our window

2119
01:32:22,589 --> 01:32:17,949
area i mean we we don't have any facts

2120
01:32:24,540 --> 01:32:22,599
to suggest why this says no so I'll just

2121
01:32:27,209 --> 01:32:24,550
have a look in your UFO case files of

2122
01:32:31,229 --> 01:32:27,219
Scotland volume to the sightings oh yes

2123
01:32:34,049 --> 01:32:31,239
there's talks all about your early days

2124
01:32:37,379 --> 01:32:34,059
in ethology and everything so when was

2125
01:32:40,229 --> 01:32:37,389
so your earliest sighting when we was in

2126
01:32:42,979 --> 01:32:40,239
the late teens was useful for you I've

2127
01:32:45,869 --> 01:32:42,989
heard a number of sightings and they

2128
01:32:48,299 --> 01:32:45,879
just give you the Missouri colum and

2129
01:32:50,219 --> 01:32:48,309
fully enough this was at Loch Ness and

2130
01:32:51,959 --> 01:32:50,229
they were doing some interviews with

2131
01:32:55,560 --> 01:32:51,969
local people who had claimed to have

2132
01:32:58,290 --> 01:32:55,570
seen a see later that same night we had

2133
01:33:00,629 --> 01:32:58,300
a campfire on the shores of Loch Ness at

2134
01:33:08,609 --> 01:33:00,639
John Larroquette and there were

2135
01:33:16,979 --> 01:33:08,619
Canadians and Germans and very expensive

2136
01:33:21,869 --> 01:33:16,989
water master bik hotel that's the

2137
01:33:24,540 --> 01:33:21,879
official Loch Ness Museum type of thing

2138
01:33:25,889 --> 01:33:24,550
there as well but as we wonder say you

2139
01:33:28,319 --> 01:33:25,899
know having this campfire with these

2140
01:33:31,139 --> 01:33:28,329
tourists was a lovely beautiful night

2141
01:33:33,389 --> 01:33:31,149
starry night how many clouds in the sky

2142
01:33:35,129 --> 01:33:33,399
and suddenly this lady screamed oh

2143
01:33:37,169 --> 01:33:35,139
what's that over there

2144
01:33:38,609 --> 01:33:37,179
and mook towards the hills on the other

2145
01:33:41,549 --> 01:33:38,619
side of the lock you could see this

2146
01:33:43,859 --> 01:33:41,559
silhouette of the hills and you saw this

2147
01:33:45,270 --> 01:33:43,869
ball of light and just jumping up and

2148
01:33:47,879 --> 01:33:45,280
down the hills near that was stopped

2149
01:33:50,189 --> 01:33:47,889
jump up and down and stop and it just

2150
01:33:53,489 --> 01:33:50,199
careered off into this game has gone in

2151
01:33:55,139 --> 01:33:53,499
seconds and there you know we did all

2152
01:33:56,819 --> 01:33:55,149
the necessary checks again when the

2153
01:33:58,919 --> 01:33:56,829
airport success and we couldn't explain

2154
01:34:01,800 --> 01:33:58,929
now and just well I'm thinking about

2155
01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:01,810
that you've made me think of another

2156
01:34:08,280 --> 01:34:05,770
I gave a talk to probe a group in

2157
01:34:11,850 --> 01:34:08,290
England and and and rhythms and hands

2158
01:34:13,980 --> 01:34:11,860
and just near black Googler and later

2159
01:34:17,460 --> 01:34:13,990
after I gave my talk myself and some

2160
01:34:20,280 --> 01:34:17,470
chaps went out to Blackpool Beach or the

2161
01:34:23,610 --> 01:34:20,290
sands that the I think it was an office

2162
01:34:26,310 --> 01:34:23,620
aid of Blackpool and we looked out

2163
01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:26,320
towards the sea and suddenly this ball

2164
01:34:32,730 --> 01:34:29,290
of late wasn't a fuzzy ball that was a

2165
01:34:36,060 --> 01:34:32,740
clear ball of light and he had were

2166
01:34:38,130 --> 01:34:36,070
three so-called professional ufologists

2167
01:34:41,190 --> 01:34:38,140
staring up at his bowler late coming

2168
01:34:44,910 --> 01:34:41,200
over in the sky towards us and nobody

2169
01:34:46,650 --> 01:34:44,920
spoke because we both knew this the only

2170
01:34:49,140 --> 01:34:46,660
like a helicopter on a salad because it

2171
01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:49,150
was so lured down and this is before all

2172
01:34:53,550 --> 01:34:51,850
your Jordans and everything it wasn't a

2173
01:34:55,560 --> 01:34:53,560
Jordan there was no red lace green

2174
01:34:57,540 --> 01:34:55,570
lights navigation lights anything no

2175
01:35:01,440 --> 01:34:57,550
admittedly Blackpool Airport was just

2176
01:35:04,230 --> 01:35:01,450
behind us so certainly a careful what

2177
01:35:06,450 --> 01:35:04,240
were sess and it just silently moved

2178
01:35:09,510 --> 01:35:06,460
across their heads and we just shook her

2179
01:35:11,970 --> 01:35:09,520
head my god you know I'd really think

2180
01:35:14,610 --> 01:35:11,980
that's a year for and so that was

2181
01:35:17,570 --> 01:35:14,620
another one that we saw that was that

2182
01:35:20,490 --> 01:35:17,580
was a very bizarre one as well yeah hmm

2183
01:35:23,250 --> 01:35:20,500
there's a Joyce bones a very perceptive

2184
01:35:27,870 --> 01:35:23,260
lady her UFO sightings between 1970 and

2185
01:35:31,250 --> 01:35:27,880
1980 do you ever do that the top of your

2186
01:35:34,140 --> 01:35:31,260
head over oh yeah yeah of course to do

2187
01:35:36,960 --> 01:35:34,150
she was what we call it a pizza witness

2188
01:35:39,780 --> 01:35:36,970
that's someone who sees UFOs on a

2189
01:35:41,970 --> 01:35:39,790
regular basis and myself and my

2190
01:35:44,640 --> 01:35:41,980
colleague travel down to replace called

2191
01:35:47,430 --> 01:35:44,650
Moffat in Dumfries and Galloway to

2192
01:35:49,680 --> 01:35:47,440
interview this lady and she was seeing

2193
01:35:53,280 --> 01:35:49,690
these balls away she was seeing or

2194
01:35:55,470 --> 01:35:53,290
obsessing rods in the sky above people's

2195
01:35:58,770 --> 01:35:55,480
rooftops and in the vicinity you know

2196
01:36:01,080 --> 01:35:58,780
and she kept a diary of these sightings

2197
01:36:04,680 --> 01:36:01,090
I think in map in that book up quite a

2198
01:36:06,660 --> 01:36:04,690
number of them Elizabeth and she she's

2199
01:36:10,080 --> 01:36:06,670
seen us on a regular basis

2200
01:36:12,360 --> 01:36:10,090
and for all our wonderful stories for

2201
01:36:15,050 --> 01:36:12,370
all she told she never ever got any

2202
01:36:17,780 --> 01:36:15,060
photograph photographic evidence of

2203
01:36:19,670 --> 01:36:17,790
what she was seeing and the only thing

2204
01:36:21,500 --> 01:36:19,680
that truly backed it up I guess was that

2205
01:36:24,980 --> 01:36:21,510
other people and Dumfries and Galloway

2206
01:36:27,290 --> 01:36:24,990
and Muffet Lockerbie etc had seen

2207
01:36:29,630 --> 01:36:27,300
strange things in that sky at that time

2208
01:36:32,330 --> 01:36:29,640
so she didn't stand alone if she was

2209
01:36:34,490 --> 01:36:32,340
making up then she was making it up but

2210
01:36:37,730 --> 01:36:34,500
there were other people who seen things

2211
01:36:40,190 --> 01:36:37,740
at that time as well you know hmm and

2212
01:36:42,650 --> 01:36:40,200
this is that she was actually psychic

2213
01:36:46,820 --> 01:36:42,660
well she said about a psychic audiotape

2214
01:36:49,760 --> 01:36:46,830
spirit messages yes yes yes she claimed

2215
01:36:51,380 --> 01:36:49,770
and with a friend had a friend as well

2216
01:36:54,250 --> 01:36:51,390
forgetting him but they claimed that

2217
01:36:56,990 --> 01:36:54,260
they wouldn't touch me George Adamski

2218
01:36:59,330 --> 01:36:57,000
your medication I'm laughing but I

2219
01:37:02,350 --> 01:36:59,340
adored me not in a bad way because like

2220
01:37:05,090 --> 01:37:02,360
I said before never poopoo anything and

2221
01:37:08,150 --> 01:37:05,100
so I believe I put some communication

2222
01:37:10,250 --> 01:37:08,160
from psychic communication as that the

2223
01:37:13,370 --> 01:37:10,260
ladies got from George Adamski and this

2224
01:37:16,820 --> 01:37:13,380
book now the lady also claimed to be in

2225
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:16,830
spirit communication by her name's Wayne

2226
01:37:21,740 --> 01:37:19,050
oh my head Marty somebody is a country

2227
01:37:26,420 --> 01:37:21,750
and western singer Marty Robbins smart

2228
01:37:28,250 --> 01:37:26,430
Europe and she had a guitar in the room

2229
01:37:30,230 --> 01:37:28,260
and I went because I'm a guitarist

2230
01:37:32,420 --> 01:37:30,240
myself and I went to grab at one night

2231
01:37:34,820 --> 01:37:32,430
no no no don't touch her why that's

2232
01:37:36,950 --> 01:37:34,830
Marty that's Marty's guitar only Marty's

2233
01:37:39,440 --> 01:37:36,960
allowed to play 'la so when she went

2234
01:37:41,330 --> 01:37:39,450
been the Quechan to put on a to make a

2235
01:37:43,880 --> 01:37:41,340
cup of tea I went a ginger Lee walked

2236
01:37:48,040 --> 01:37:43,890
over and strum the guitar and it was

2237
01:37:50,480 --> 01:37:48,050
where I of June no any professional

2238
01:37:52,820 --> 01:37:50,490
guitarist would not play a guitar in a

2239
01:37:54,890 --> 01:37:52,830
tune if indeed it was Marty Robbins

2240
01:37:57,380 --> 01:37:54,900
but love was this one of the tools that

2241
01:37:59,150 --> 01:37:57,390
she told you know and I mean she

2242
01:38:02,020 --> 01:37:59,160
deserved a part in that book simply

2243
01:38:04,460 --> 01:38:02,030
because it was a very very interesting

2244
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:04,470
woman for sure yeah yeah I'm just

2245
01:38:08,810 --> 01:38:06,090
looking at this georgette George as he

2246
01:38:10,250 --> 01:38:08,820
communicates so what's your opinion so

2247
01:38:13,280 --> 01:38:10,260
George Adamski well you won't were on

2248
01:38:15,440 --> 01:38:13,290
the subject do you think he was for real

2249
01:38:18,140 --> 01:38:15,450
for genuine I mean my on my own opinion

2250
01:38:19,760 --> 01:38:18,150
was that he was you know I believe a lot

2251
01:38:20,960 --> 01:38:19,770
of them I might have I think he might

2252
01:38:22,520 --> 01:38:20,970
have been one of these people that might

2253
01:38:24,620 --> 01:38:22,530
have exaggerated his stories a little

2254
01:38:27,530 --> 01:38:24,630
bit but I do believe something happened

2255
01:38:28,580 --> 01:38:27,540
what's your opinion welcome George

2256
01:38:31,459 --> 01:38:28,590
Adamski

2257
01:38:34,820 --> 01:38:31,469
very very really never gets to be judged

2258
01:38:36,979 --> 01:38:34,830
announcing its greater you asking me so

2259
01:38:39,050 --> 01:38:36,989
I mean I daresay I mean I've read all

2260
01:38:41,419 --> 01:38:39,060
all these books and say the spaceships

2261
01:38:45,020 --> 01:38:41,429
and all the other books you know at the

2262
01:38:48,790 --> 01:38:45,030
time with Desmond Leslie etc and I think

2263
01:38:51,290 --> 01:38:48,800
clearly he he did see something no

2264
01:38:54,800 --> 01:38:51,300
royalty as you know royalty invited them

2265
01:38:57,229 --> 01:38:54,810
to to speak to them about the air force

2266
01:38:59,180 --> 01:38:57,239
etc but he may have embellished some of

2267
01:38:59,959 --> 01:38:59,190
the things admittedly to make it sound

2268
01:39:02,660 --> 01:38:59,969
even better

2269
01:39:04,970 --> 01:39:02,670
I mean he's I think he said there were

2270
01:39:06,500 --> 01:39:04,980
bases on the moon or people living on

2271
01:39:08,899 --> 01:39:06,510
the Dark Side of the Moon and there were

2272
01:39:11,780 --> 01:39:08,909
there were fields and everything

2273
01:39:13,250 --> 01:39:11,790
they spoke about fireflies in the sky

2274
01:39:15,229 --> 01:39:13,260
that's before we went through the Van

2275
01:39:17,870 --> 01:39:15,239
Allen radiation belt which to some

2276
01:39:20,030 --> 01:39:17,880
degree look like fireflies so there were

2277
01:39:22,729 --> 01:39:20,040
certain bits and bobs of his tail that

2278
01:39:26,390 --> 01:39:22,739
did ring true or would appear to ring

2279
01:39:29,379 --> 01:39:26,400
true and so they came like many other

2280
01:39:31,970 --> 01:39:29,389
contactees of that ilk back in the day

2281
01:39:35,030 --> 01:39:31,980
some you may take me a pinch of salt but

2282
01:39:37,370 --> 01:39:35,040
I think George Adamski had something

2283
01:39:39,260 --> 01:39:37,380
yeah yeah I thought you especially for

2284
01:39:42,680 --> 01:39:39,270
American listeners cuz I noticed this

2285
01:39:44,660 --> 01:39:42,690
quite a few apparently there's also the

2286
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:44,670
Bell Betty and Barney Hill case will you

2287
01:39:51,560 --> 01:39:48,090
make on that well well of course back in

2288
01:39:53,270 --> 01:39:51,570
an America in the sixties there was very

2289
01:39:55,430 --> 01:39:53,280
really you saw wait man

2290
01:39:57,680 --> 01:39:55,440
sorry white woman with a black man and

2291
01:39:59,979 --> 01:39:57,690
so even that was poo-pooed and frowned

2292
01:40:02,570 --> 01:39:59,989
upon so that didn't do them any favors

2293
01:40:05,180 --> 01:40:02,580
but as far as their actual case goes

2294
01:40:06,979 --> 01:40:05,190
themselves a junior believed they in

2295
01:40:09,890 --> 01:40:06,989
Barney Hill saw something the only

2296
01:40:12,859 --> 01:40:09,900
downside for me as an individual as in a

2297
01:40:14,600 --> 01:40:12,869
lot of years before she passed away and

2298
01:40:18,350 --> 01:40:14,610
this is only what apparent is that she

2299
01:40:20,209 --> 01:40:18,360
was taking UFO investigators out and to

2300
01:40:22,580 --> 01:40:20,219
the roads and fuels and says look look

2301
01:40:25,280 --> 01:40:22,590
there's a year four and it wasn't it was

2302
01:40:27,890 --> 01:40:25,290
just an aircraft no that does that mean

2303
01:40:31,100 --> 01:40:27,900
that what happened was Barney didn't

2304
01:40:33,500 --> 01:40:31,110
happen or looking for every think light

2305
01:40:35,270 --> 01:40:33,510
in the skies a year for I don't know but

2306
01:40:39,490 --> 01:40:35,280
the bottom line is that was a massive

2307
01:40:41,300 --> 01:40:39,500
kiss and Leon Springfield was the

2308
01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:41,310
researcher or the

2309
01:40:46,040 --> 01:40:43,770
the therapist so a lawyer that chemo

2310
01:40:47,990 --> 01:40:46,050
through hypnosis as well of course just

2311
01:40:49,400 --> 01:40:48,000
an mop Accenture that's right you also

2312
01:40:51,020 --> 01:40:49,410
mentioned the style Matt point that's

2313
01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:51,030
quite fascinating in itself wasn't it

2314
01:40:54,830 --> 01:40:52,890
wasn't there most of their some Styles

2315
01:40:58,220 --> 01:40:54,840
on it that I've only been discovered

2316
01:41:04,450 --> 01:40:58,230
over the last know fifty years or thirty

2317
01:41:09,080 --> 01:41:07,130
allegedly managed defamed the star

2318
01:41:12,320 --> 01:41:09,090
system similar to what was in that book

2319
01:41:14,480 --> 01:41:12,330
and forget the lady's name but whether

2320
01:41:16,430 --> 01:41:14,490
that as the same star system was not

2321
01:41:18,740 --> 01:41:16,440
because a few angle always stars in the

2322
01:41:20,920 --> 01:41:18,750
sky you will eventually get a star

2323
01:41:23,030 --> 01:41:20,930
system which resonates and looks great

2324
01:41:25,760 --> 01:41:23,040
we have to be careful with that you know

2325
01:41:28,940 --> 01:41:25,770
but yeah and then of course you know saw

2326
01:41:31,700 --> 01:41:28,950
so many cases in America which you know

2327
01:41:33,880 --> 01:41:31,710
Roseville you've got a staccato where

2328
01:41:36,500 --> 01:41:33,890
Lonnie Zamora the police officer and

2329
01:41:39,950 --> 01:41:36,510
you've got the the farmhouse

2330
01:41:42,320 --> 01:41:39,960
Sutton farmhouse where the entities on

2331
01:41:46,280 --> 01:41:42,330
the roof you know mmm which is another

2332
01:41:49,430 --> 01:41:46,290
one I just love hearing these are

2333
01:41:52,070 --> 01:41:49,440
stories I grew up with and again flame

2334
01:41:54,350 --> 01:41:52,080
the fire of my passion for these to find

2335
01:41:57,110 --> 01:41:54,360
out more and they of course Britain

2336
01:41:58,850 --> 01:41:57,120
thankfully has its own wonderful UFO

2337
01:42:01,190 --> 01:41:58,860
stories as well so we have to be

2338
01:42:02,750 --> 01:42:01,200
thankful for that yeah I try to avoid

2339
01:42:04,370 --> 01:42:02,760
the renders from a little bit because we

2340
01:42:06,500 --> 01:42:04,380
I think it does get a little bit done to

2341
01:42:07,670 --> 01:42:06,510
death a little especially over the last

2342
01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:07,680
couple of years anyway

2343
01:42:16,130 --> 01:42:13,050
but UFO caught on camera I think on

2344
01:42:20,270 --> 01:42:16,140
video the 14th of June 95 remember

2345
01:42:22,820 --> 01:42:20,280
anything about there yeah there was a as

2346
01:42:26,360 --> 01:42:22,830
a chap who got this video footage of a

2347
01:42:28,610 --> 01:42:26,370
UFO and a noon and did not conform to

2348
01:42:31,670 --> 01:42:28,620
their normal definition of an aircraft

2349
01:42:35,240 --> 01:42:31,680
on a helicopter and he sent that footage

2350
01:42:38,150 --> 01:42:35,250
up to me which had a look at and it was

2351
01:42:41,030 --> 01:42:38,160
it was unusual and it's like anything

2352
01:42:42,950 --> 01:42:41,040
else in life David you know as I said I

2353
01:42:45,980 --> 01:42:42,960
get sent video footage I get sent

2354
01:42:49,190 --> 01:42:45,990
photographs etc and everybody's looking

2355
01:42:51,260 --> 01:42:49,200
for an answer and sometimes yeah we can

2356
01:42:55,070 --> 01:42:51,270
give them an answer for instance when I

2357
01:42:57,290 --> 01:42:55,080
lived in Ealing and w-5 a number of

2358
01:42:59,870 --> 01:42:57,300
zygor myself and my colleague at the

2359
01:43:02,390 --> 01:42:59,880
time apartment at that same was taken to

2360
01:43:06,140 --> 01:43:02,400
this chaps house he had video footage to

2361
01:43:08,300 --> 01:43:06,150
shores of UFOs and the sky okay let's

2362
01:43:11,360 --> 01:43:08,310
have a look at it so we went into his

2363
01:43:14,150 --> 01:43:11,370
house he put the the VHS tape at that

2364
01:43:17,060 --> 01:43:14,160
came before DVDs CDs he put it on his

2365
01:43:18,890 --> 01:43:17,070
machine put it on and I looked at my

2366
01:43:21,110 --> 01:43:18,900
partner's she looked at me and we both

2367
01:43:24,740 --> 01:43:21,120
knew straight away this was not a year

2368
01:43:27,830 --> 01:43:24,750
for all it was was safely set slates

2369
01:43:30,350 --> 01:43:27,840
illuminating low-lying clothes know the

2370
01:43:32,030 --> 01:43:30,360
way the dispossession of the the ear

2371
01:43:33,920 --> 01:43:32,040
another thing that made you didn't

2372
01:43:35,810 --> 01:43:33,930
actually see the surfs weights coming up

2373
01:43:37,640 --> 01:43:35,820
from the ground you only saw them

2374
01:43:39,590 --> 01:43:37,650
illuminating the bottom of the clothes

2375
01:43:41,660 --> 01:43:39,600
only at the very end

2376
01:43:43,610 --> 01:43:41,670
did you see these columns of light

2377
01:43:46,910 --> 01:43:43,620
coming up illuminating they cook so we

2378
01:43:50,030 --> 01:43:46,920
said to the chart sorry I'm in tears

2379
01:43:52,580 --> 01:43:50,040
that looks like you know saris lace no

2380
01:43:53,900 --> 01:43:52,590
it's not you'd meant to be professional

2381
01:43:56,780 --> 01:43:53,910
people you're meant to believe in this

2382
01:43:59,180 --> 01:43:56,790
stuff believe in it said but I can tell

2383
01:44:03,200 --> 01:43:59,190
you that searchlights so some people

2384
01:44:06,680 --> 01:44:03,210
have this desire and the want and the

2385
01:44:09,740 --> 01:44:06,690
need for things to be real that the the

2386
01:44:11,330 --> 01:44:09,750
main just jumps into overdrive and you

2387
01:44:13,550 --> 01:44:11,340
can't tell them you can't tell them you

2388
01:44:19,210 --> 01:44:13,560
know I think probably some might like to

2389
01:44:24,140 --> 01:44:21,410
somebody also really interests me a lot

2390
01:44:25,640 --> 01:44:24,150
is that out-of-body experiences that is

2391
01:44:27,380 --> 01:44:25,650
the thing that it says here is it an

2392
01:44:29,750 --> 01:44:27,390
out-of-body experience of the different

2393
01:44:34,640 --> 01:44:29,760
coins notice in your UFO FILES

2394
01:44:35,930 --> 01:44:34,650
of Scotland vol 2 and it deals with UFO

2395
01:44:39,230 --> 01:44:35,940
abductions what do you think about

2396
01:44:42,050 --> 01:44:39,240
what's your opinions and all that well I

2397
01:44:46,280 --> 01:44:42,060
mean body experiences before really cut

2398
01:44:49,010 --> 01:44:46,290
abductions clearly clearly true and

2399
01:44:51,020 --> 01:44:49,020
again out of taught by a tiara and not

2400
01:44:53,360 --> 01:44:51,030
all cases are oxygen starvation to their

2401
01:44:55,190 --> 01:44:53,370
brain you use you mentioned yourself

2402
01:44:56,900 --> 01:44:55,200
that people have came up the body and

2403
01:44:58,910 --> 01:44:56,910
saw shoes on the roof they could tell

2404
01:45:01,180 --> 01:44:58,920
you certain things they can visit a

2405
01:45:03,590 --> 01:45:01,190
family fairness says you had reading a

2406
01:45:05,450 --> 01:45:03,600
book what's the name in a bit well a bit

2407
01:45:09,020 --> 01:45:05,460
was colder yeah that's right how did you

2408
01:45:11,450 --> 01:45:09,030
know that so that that is a facet

2409
01:45:14,209 --> 01:45:11,460
body experiences know the abduction

2410
01:45:18,709 --> 01:45:14,219
phenomena which is a massive thing for

2411
01:45:21,020 --> 01:45:18,719
me in my life right now and as obviously

2412
01:45:23,600 --> 01:45:21,030
our one old wager enigma has been going

2413
01:45:27,560 --> 01:45:23,610
on since time immemorial the question

2414
01:45:29,720 --> 01:45:27,570
arises why why that three-letter what

2415
01:45:32,689 --> 01:45:29,730
why that's a big big thing that we need

2416
01:45:35,870 --> 01:45:32,699
to ask the we could speculate and say

2417
01:45:37,729 --> 01:45:35,880
that as a north-south Hollywood that

2418
01:45:40,479 --> 01:45:37,739
they've taken sperm and OVA from males

2419
01:45:42,910 --> 01:45:40,489
and females and repopulating are dying

2420
01:45:46,970 --> 01:45:42,920
stories such a lot done yes you know

2421
01:45:49,279 --> 01:45:46,980
from different people absolutely imagine

2422
01:45:51,709 --> 01:45:49,289
everyone's making that up you know no a

2423
01:45:54,500 --> 01:45:51,719
nice book Jeff female some years ago who

2424
01:45:56,689 --> 01:45:54,510
was an abductee and she said that she

2425
01:46:00,169 --> 01:45:56,699
was on board one of these objects and

2426
01:46:02,930 --> 01:46:00,179
then suddenly the she was presented by

2427
01:46:05,569 --> 01:46:02,940
this half-human half-alien hybrid child

2428
01:46:07,359 --> 01:46:05,579
that was holding a small glimmer holding

2429
01:46:10,459 --> 01:46:07,369
it in its arms and she had

2430
01:46:15,620 --> 01:46:10,469
telepathically not you know vocally that

2431
01:46:19,520 --> 01:46:15,630
this is partly belongs to you and so my

2432
01:46:22,479 --> 01:46:19,530
my thing door David as abductions have

2433
01:46:25,490 --> 01:46:22,489
been going on for countless centuries

2434
01:46:29,029 --> 01:46:25,500
surely surely surely they've got enough

2435
01:46:31,580 --> 01:46:29,039
genetic material by now to populate that

2436
01:46:34,490 --> 01:46:31,590
time planet other speculations say that

2437
01:46:36,770 --> 01:46:34,500
maybe it's canis all energy you're just

2438
01:46:39,080 --> 01:46:36,780
trying to understand their soul and the

2439
01:46:42,470 --> 01:46:39,090
makeup of this this afterlife is because

2440
01:46:45,859 --> 01:46:42,480
they don't have that I don't know people

2441
01:46:48,140 --> 01:46:45,869
say that God created man so how many

2442
01:46:49,970 --> 01:46:48,150
gods do we have that he also create

2443
01:46:53,450 --> 01:46:49,980
these small grey beings and if so does

2444
01:46:56,870 --> 01:46:53,460
their God look like them you know so it

2445
01:46:57,939 --> 01:46:56,880
can expand this discussion and it drives

2446
01:47:04,850 --> 01:46:57,949
you nuts

2447
01:47:08,270 --> 01:47:04,860
the girl trust me not so much with the

2448
01:47:11,089 --> 01:47:08,280
these seventy case which as Scotland's

2449
01:47:13,310 --> 01:47:11,099
biggest abduction case these guys were

2450
01:47:15,709 --> 01:47:13,320
terrified these guys had scarce in a

2451
01:47:17,779 --> 01:47:15,719
body that previously were there and I

2452
01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:17,789
mean that's what he's major cases yeah

2453
01:47:21,470 --> 01:47:20,010
yeah especially comes down to implants

2454
01:47:22,550 --> 01:47:21,480
as well you hear about people saying

2455
01:47:24,410 --> 01:47:22,560
they've got implants

2456
01:47:28,090 --> 01:47:24,420
the some of these things have been dug

2457
01:47:30,320 --> 01:47:28,100
out and this strange strange little

2458
01:47:32,870 --> 01:47:30,330
what's call them really there's a lot of

2459
01:47:34,640 --> 01:47:32,880
strange pieces of metal aren't they yeah

2460
01:47:36,710 --> 01:47:34,650
I mean I remember again when I was

2461
01:47:39,160 --> 01:47:36,720
loving a kneeling we put on some

2462
01:47:43,610 --> 01:47:39,170
conferences down there and Derrel Sims

2463
01:47:46,130 --> 01:47:43,620
the Alien Hunter is his name and he had

2464
01:47:47,840 --> 01:47:46,140
a wee box was a big box actually only

2465
01:47:50,720 --> 01:47:47,850
half kitchen table there was only

2466
01:47:53,240 --> 01:47:50,730
segmented into smaller boxes and then

2467
01:47:55,370 --> 01:47:53,250
those smaller boxes and on a piece of

2468
01:47:57,230 --> 01:47:55,380
cotton will was a little um plant and he

2469
01:47:58,940 --> 01:47:57,240
said well that came from Wisconsin that

2470
01:48:00,920 --> 01:47:58,950
one came from Philadelphia now and he

2471
01:48:04,160 --> 01:48:00,930
was jumping about so excited you know

2472
01:48:06,770 --> 01:48:04,170
and there I always remember um it was a

2473
01:48:09,370 --> 01:48:06,780
lovely guy and he truly believes that

2474
01:48:11,720 --> 01:48:09,380
these aliens call him what you will

2475
01:48:14,330 --> 01:48:11,730
presenting these implants in to people

2476
01:48:16,070 --> 01:48:14,340
to monitor them ie maybe that health

2477
01:48:18,410 --> 01:48:16,080
condition maybe where they are the

2478
01:48:22,100 --> 01:48:18,420
statin the other or to take some

2479
01:48:24,230 --> 01:48:22,110
information from us again as a tough one

2480
01:48:26,450 --> 01:48:24,240
huh but having said that we've got them

2481
01:48:28,550 --> 01:48:26,460
the proof you know yes well don't have

2482
01:48:31,840 --> 01:48:28,560
to be chosen people why they were chosen

2483
01:48:35,780 --> 01:48:31,850
but they were choose specific people

2484
01:48:37,010 --> 01:48:35,790
it's this or do they or are they more

2485
01:48:38,690 --> 01:48:37,020
than we actually think and there's

2486
01:48:39,500 --> 01:48:38,700
people that get an implant say I don't

2487
01:48:41,540 --> 01:48:39,510
even know about it

2488
01:48:43,130 --> 01:48:41,550
maybe until later I think I'm Brenda

2489
01:48:44,900 --> 01:48:43,140
says she's got an implant in a shoulder

2490
01:48:48,530 --> 01:48:44,910
Brenda Butler I'm talking about now yeah

2491
01:48:51,620 --> 01:48:48,540
I don't know but clearly there's a

2492
01:48:52,820 --> 01:48:51,630
program of sorts going on and they you

2493
01:48:55,100 --> 01:48:52,830
know answer that other part of your

2494
01:48:57,710 --> 01:48:55,110
question may be people who have been

2495
01:48:59,540 --> 01:48:57,720
abducted just know that the family the

2496
01:49:01,100 --> 01:48:59,550
family tree have been abducted through

2497
01:49:03,520 --> 01:49:01,110
the centuries so you speak you know

2498
01:49:06,320 --> 01:49:03,530
source like it's a family thing and

2499
01:49:11,800 --> 01:49:06,330
people have speculated that that's

2500
01:49:16,220 --> 01:49:14,600
at the end of the day is something that

2501
01:49:19,010 --> 01:49:16,230
has to be looped eyes is still ongoing

2502
01:49:21,770 --> 01:49:19,020
like I said and I just don't understand

2503
01:49:25,490 --> 01:49:21,780
why the are still ongoing with these

2504
01:49:27,290 --> 01:49:25,500
abduction cases yeah well I'll tell you

2505
01:49:28,640 --> 01:49:27,300
what the media really gives us a knockin

2506
01:49:30,920 --> 01:49:28,650
don't they anything to do with the

2507
01:49:33,740 --> 01:49:30,930
paranormal to tell them there are UFOs

2508
01:49:35,810 --> 01:49:33,750
they always they still do it just take

2509
01:49:36,370 --> 01:49:35,820
the mickey out of it you must find it a

2510
01:49:39,729 --> 01:49:36,380
lot when you

2511
01:49:45,459 --> 01:49:39,739
only on TV radio shows that I just had a

2512
01:49:48,640 --> 01:49:45,469
Mickey of you subject itself

2513
01:49:51,189 --> 01:49:48,650
yeah subject itself one of the witnesses

2514
01:49:55,240 --> 01:49:51,199
in the a 70k is Gary rich

2515
01:49:58,090 --> 01:49:55,250
Gary and I were doing a program for BBC

2516
01:49:59,800 --> 01:49:58,100
Scotland called a mysterious north and

2517
01:50:02,709 --> 01:49:59,810
it was filmed in a castle near Aberdeen

2518
01:50:04,240 --> 01:50:02,719
and they were doing a lot of interviews

2519
01:50:06,100 --> 01:50:04,250
with different people because it was

2520
01:50:08,800 --> 01:50:06,110
going to be a series of short so they

2521
01:50:10,899 --> 01:50:08,810
tried to get as many people and and I

2522
01:50:13,180 --> 01:50:10,909
was make talk with headphones on Gary

2523
01:50:16,360 --> 01:50:13,190
was made up with headphones on and they

2524
01:50:20,680 --> 01:50:16,370
were taking their Mickey of this woman

2525
01:50:23,620 --> 01:50:20,690
who was on before us about some psychic

2526
01:50:26,080 --> 01:50:23,630
woman and I said to Gary right you are

2527
01:50:28,300 --> 01:50:26,090
not removing believing believing but not

2528
01:50:30,189 --> 01:50:28,310
going on Gary yeah you're right Malcolm

2529
01:50:31,689 --> 01:50:30,199
I don't want to go enough they're taking

2530
01:50:34,870 --> 01:50:31,699
the mickey and then suddenly I saw this

2531
01:50:37,660 --> 01:50:34,880
producer guy and the wings weaving he's

2532
01:50:40,030 --> 01:50:37,670
frantically waving his arms I know and

2533
01:50:42,430 --> 01:50:40,040
he's looking at is gone oh no no I

2534
01:50:45,160 --> 01:50:42,440
forgot that he could hear me saying

2535
01:50:47,770 --> 01:50:45,170
we're leaving you know they came over to

2536
01:50:49,629 --> 01:50:47,780
us and he says I heard what you said

2537
01:50:51,010 --> 01:50:49,639
Malcolm please please please don't don't

2538
01:50:53,260 --> 01:50:51,020
leave the studio don't leave the studio

2539
01:50:55,600 --> 01:50:53,270
that was makeup studio in this castle

2540
01:50:57,820 --> 01:50:55,610
and he says I promise we'll get the

2541
01:51:00,610 --> 01:50:57,830
compair guy to to really not take the

2542
01:51:02,560 --> 01:51:00,620
mickey so it cut along story sha and he

2543
01:51:05,200 --> 01:51:02,570
spoke to the guy in between takes and he

2544
01:51:06,160 --> 01:51:05,210
says these guys don't wanna make a Tatum

2545
01:51:08,740 --> 01:51:06,170
and it

2546
01:51:10,660 --> 01:51:08,750
Tootie's what the presenter took it very

2547
01:51:13,330 --> 01:51:10,670
seriously it did his job professionally

2548
01:51:14,919 --> 01:51:13,340
and honestly and but I fear that done

2549
01:51:20,140 --> 01:51:14,929
that with me may have been a different

2550
01:51:22,450 --> 01:51:20,150
television show you ever got it does it

2551
01:51:23,860 --> 01:51:22,460
what it does annoy me actually went

2552
01:51:25,530 --> 01:51:23,870
because I know John Henson was on the

2553
01:51:28,479 --> 01:51:25,540
one show oh yeah

2554
01:51:30,070 --> 01:51:28,489
last year wasn't it and straight after

2555
01:51:31,899 --> 01:51:30,080
it they had Keith lemon on they're

2556
01:51:33,910 --> 01:51:31,909
taking a really taking the mickey out of

2557
01:51:36,640 --> 01:51:33,920
it I mean John relied been not so much

2558
01:51:38,830 --> 01:51:36,650
me but I was up in up in rehearsal was

2559
01:51:40,840 --> 01:51:38,840
with him filming all day long in the

2560
01:51:42,820 --> 01:51:40,850
cold I'll come back with a stinking cold

2561
01:51:45,129 --> 01:51:42,830
and went straight to bed afterwards yeah

2562
01:51:47,080 --> 01:51:45,139
all day filming and we had a five or a

2563
01:51:48,490 --> 01:51:47,090
short five-minute film which was done we

2564
01:51:49,779 --> 01:51:48,500
just don't quite well I think

2565
01:51:51,399 --> 01:51:49,789
yeah they still

2566
01:51:54,970 --> 01:51:51,409
resist of having that little bit of a

2567
01:51:57,160 --> 01:51:54,980
pee take afterwards you know it's and it

2568
01:51:58,569 --> 01:51:57,170
was I think job was quite upset about it

2569
01:52:00,729 --> 01:51:58,579
I think he thought it was gonna be a

2570
01:52:03,729 --> 01:52:00,739
longer film after all the film had been

2571
01:52:06,040 --> 01:52:03,739
doing you know but um yeah I mean I

2572
01:52:07,720 --> 01:52:06,050
always say to you any TV people or

2573
01:52:10,689 --> 01:52:07,730
newspaper people who get in touch with

2574
01:52:11,589 --> 01:52:10,699
me I say look look you're going to take

2575
01:52:13,000 --> 01:52:11,599
this seriously

2576
01:52:14,979 --> 01:52:13,010
because I ain't going to come on the

2577
01:52:16,359 --> 01:52:14,989
shore I'm not going to present you with

2578
01:52:18,970 --> 01:52:16,369
a shut off my back you know the witness

2579
01:52:22,569 --> 01:52:18,980
of people unless you cheat it seriously

2580
01:52:25,060 --> 01:52:22,579
and names that tennis league Malcolm

2581
01:52:27,129 --> 01:52:25,070
nobody will cheat the seriously we

2582
01:52:29,259 --> 01:52:27,139
wouldn't either make care of you and all

2583
01:52:31,569 --> 01:52:29,269
it once is up as they went back under

2584
01:52:33,759 --> 01:52:31,579
want but we're dealing funny enough in

2585
01:52:36,220 --> 01:52:33,769
the kill safe case and it was a Sun

2586
01:52:39,100 --> 01:52:36,230
reporter of the Scottish Sun came on the

2587
01:52:43,209 --> 01:52:39,110
investigation with us and the story of

2588
01:52:46,810 --> 01:52:43,219
the following day was taking the malcolm

2589
01:52:50,020 --> 01:52:46,820
rotten inspector aspect on as an SP ec t

2590
01:52:52,899 --> 01:52:50,030
re SPECT and Malcolm Robinson and at any

2591
01:52:55,569 --> 01:52:52,909
rate make euros so I went back to the

2592
01:52:58,299 --> 01:52:55,579
the guy who they investigated sorry the

2593
01:53:00,520 --> 01:52:58,309
report Thomas's work you told me given

2594
01:53:02,979 --> 01:53:00,530
you do this this is Malcolm up to an

2595
01:53:05,830 --> 01:53:02,989
honest story to my editor and the editor

2596
01:53:07,509 --> 01:53:05,840
says that's too serious we need to put

2597
01:53:09,700 --> 01:53:07,519
salt and pepper and give her arms and

2598
01:53:12,549 --> 01:53:09,710
legs this is when I give him it was Fame

2599
01:53:15,040 --> 01:53:12,559
they've stretched a story and and that's

2600
01:53:16,990 --> 01:53:15,050
the sad thing that whilst we need

2601
01:53:18,819 --> 01:53:17,000
British public to come forward with

2602
01:53:21,160 --> 01:53:18,829
their stories sometimes we have to

2603
01:53:23,439 --> 01:53:21,170
approach the British media to to get

2604
01:53:25,180 --> 01:53:23,449
there to get the stories but but not

2605
01:53:27,939 --> 01:53:25,190
always guarantee that a fair trial you

2606
01:53:29,290 --> 01:53:27,949
know the Colchester British made it

2607
01:53:30,669 --> 01:53:29,300
since the American media as well at

2608
01:53:32,819 --> 01:53:30,679
least they don't trade you seriously

2609
01:53:35,439 --> 01:53:32,829
either do they and with older seriously

2610
01:53:37,149 --> 01:53:35,449
we've heard some quite serious stories

2611
01:53:40,299 --> 01:53:37,159
tonight from yourself

2612
01:53:42,069 --> 01:53:40,309
and to me they're not something to be

2613
01:53:43,720 --> 01:53:42,079
taken a mickey out off you know they're

2614
01:53:46,089 --> 01:53:43,730
they're actually serious they affect

2615
01:53:48,640 --> 01:53:46,099
people's lives in a very serious way you

2616
01:53:51,220 --> 01:53:48,650
know and I'm sure you feel the same way

2617
01:53:54,220 --> 01:53:51,230
about that I think it's very annoying

2618
01:53:56,680 --> 01:53:54,230
when people are just sort of I come they

2619
01:53:58,120 --> 01:53:56,690
put their life on the line really that's

2620
01:54:03,009 --> 01:53:58,130
a ridicule by their friends and

2621
01:54:05,049 --> 01:54:03,019
everybody else and flattened just

2622
01:54:07,539 --> 01:54:05,059
the enemy here office it's really

2623
01:54:09,909 --> 01:54:07,549
annoying yeah I miss that's very true

2624
01:54:12,250 --> 01:54:09,919
and I always remember David for every

2625
01:54:13,839 --> 01:54:12,260
one person that sees a year for there

2626
01:54:16,299 --> 01:54:13,849
might have been three people behind them

2627
01:54:18,849 --> 01:54:16,309
who also saw that year four but wouldn't

2628
01:54:22,029 --> 01:54:18,859
come forward a peer of ridicule one will

2629
01:54:24,099 --> 01:54:22,039
come forward yeah that's right exactly

2630
01:54:25,659 --> 01:54:24,109
right that's why a lot of people don't

2631
01:54:28,929 --> 01:54:25,669
come forward told me I know there's lots

2632
01:54:32,739 --> 01:54:28,939
of pilots to see UFOs and they don't

2633
01:54:34,239 --> 01:54:32,749
come forward I think probably I mean

2634
01:54:36,189 --> 01:54:34,249
I've done a lot of TV shows but one

2635
01:54:37,779 --> 01:54:36,199
either that the best ones I've really

2636
01:54:40,719 --> 01:54:37,789
enjoyed that it was a slap in the face

2637
01:54:43,659 --> 01:54:40,729
still all these people was a program

2638
01:54:46,269 --> 01:54:43,669
called we the jury back in 1997 and

2639
01:54:47,799 --> 01:54:46,279
there was phoned in a courtroom so you

2640
01:54:49,599 --> 01:54:47,809
had the brass railings you wouldn't

2641
01:54:53,739 --> 01:54:49,609
bench his knowledge that you had the

2642
01:54:55,599 --> 01:54:53,749
jury it was live on the BBC Scotland it

2643
01:54:58,349 --> 01:54:55,609
was live on radio it set all the radio

2644
01:55:02,139 --> 01:54:58,359
stations were there and I was opposed

2645
01:55:04,719 --> 01:55:02,149
setting and in a dock way I was seeing

2646
01:55:07,239 --> 01:55:04,729
the case for year 48th was a real and

2647
01:55:09,129 --> 01:55:07,249
then the skeptics corner was a chap

2648
01:55:11,919 --> 01:55:09,139
called Stuart Campbell from Edinburgh

2649
01:55:17,469 --> 01:55:11,929
who was giving a skeptic side of the EF

2650
01:55:19,529 --> 01:55:17,479
was a nonsense and Julie said we had it

2651
01:55:22,599 --> 01:55:19,539
was my side was made up of a lot of a

2652
01:55:24,729 --> 01:55:22,609
ufologists abductees Guardian Colin from

2653
01:55:27,309 --> 01:55:24,739
the assembly case were there the boys

2654
01:55:30,159 --> 01:55:27,319
from cv4 rock group Ryan McMullen Wazir

2655
01:55:33,699 --> 01:55:30,169
and and the other side the skeptic side

2656
01:55:35,619 --> 01:55:33,709
was professors astronomers all these

2657
01:55:39,069 --> 01:55:35,629
high tech guys you know well the

2658
01:55:40,389 --> 01:55:39,079
fanciful stories now so I stood up my

2659
01:55:42,789 --> 01:55:40,399
had two and a half minutes to say my

2660
01:55:44,799 --> 01:55:42,799
piece then stretched it up here two and

2661
01:55:47,169 --> 01:55:44,809
a half minutes to see his piece then it

2662
01:55:51,429 --> 01:55:47,179
went out into the Judy and I got really

2663
01:55:54,189 --> 01:55:51,439
really heated David at the end of the

2664
01:55:57,009 --> 01:55:54,199
show and the woman on the television

2665
01:55:58,569 --> 01:55:57,019
says okay Judy you've no listen to both

2666
01:56:01,419 --> 01:55:58,579
sides of the story it's no time to

2667
01:56:03,309 --> 01:56:01,429
decide if aliens are real or aliens are

2668
01:56:05,769 --> 01:56:03,319
not real and so they cut to the

2669
01:56:07,149 --> 01:56:05,779
commercial they came back and in Foreman

2670
01:56:07,750 --> 01:56:07,159
of the jury which he came in please

2671
01:56:10,019 --> 01:56:07,760
stand

2672
01:56:13,989 --> 01:56:10,029
yeah how do you reached a verdict as

2673
01:56:16,360 --> 01:56:13,999
aliens to or not we faint we the jury

2674
01:56:20,050 --> 01:56:16,370
find the aliens are real by nine votes

2675
01:56:24,250 --> 01:56:20,060
t3 and the whole always went up in arms

2676
01:56:25,990 --> 01:56:24,260
yeah you know as circuits and the look

2677
01:56:27,850 --> 01:56:26,000
on the astronomers faces and the

2678
01:56:29,830 --> 01:56:27,860
scientists faces of just shaking their

2679
01:56:32,350 --> 01:56:29,840
heads it was wonderful what a wonderful

2680
01:56:34,390 --> 01:56:32,360
night that was yeah I mean to be honest

2681
01:56:36,700 --> 01:56:34,400
I mean anyone who thinks that aliens are

2682
01:56:38,800 --> 01:56:36,710
not real I mean to be able to the amount

2683
01:56:40,480 --> 01:56:38,810
of planets and star systems out there

2684
01:56:42,190 --> 01:56:40,490
it's ridiculous to think this that we

2685
01:56:43,780 --> 01:56:42,200
are the only ones isn't it I mean it's

2686
01:56:45,520 --> 01:56:43,790
just ridiculous and obviously there's

2687
01:56:47,410 --> 01:56:45,530
going to be civilizations out there are

2688
01:56:49,600 --> 01:56:47,420
millions of years in advance of us

2689
01:56:53,910 --> 01:56:49,610
possibly and there's no reason why they

2690
01:56:56,890 --> 01:56:53,920
can't be visiting us at all cost them

2691
01:57:00,220 --> 01:56:56,900
superior knowledge you know not even

2692
01:57:02,290 --> 01:57:00,230
thought of yet absolutely I mean they

2693
01:57:04,420 --> 01:57:02,300
make viewers is just and significant

2694
01:57:06,520 --> 01:57:04,430
like if you thunderstorm in the garden

2695
01:57:08,080 --> 01:57:06,530
you look at we answer Lance would look

2696
01:57:09,430 --> 01:57:08,090
I've always got brains something

2697
01:57:11,410 --> 01:57:09,440
happening but they don't know what's

2698
01:57:13,750 --> 01:57:11,420
going on yeah but what we have to bear

2699
01:57:16,270 --> 01:57:13,760
in mind is that UFOs as you probably

2700
01:57:18,400 --> 01:57:16,280
know yourself I'm sure I've not just

2701
01:57:20,710 --> 01:57:18,410
sated in the skies of this world are

2702
01:57:24,160 --> 01:57:20,720
sated in the oceans of this world and

2703
01:57:26,830 --> 01:57:24,170
many wonderful the US or sightings have

2704
01:57:29,290 --> 01:57:26,840
been seen entering and exiting the

2705
01:57:31,660 --> 01:57:29,300
oceans of this planet more so under the

2706
01:57:34,360 --> 01:57:31,670
island of Puerto Rico and that's

2707
01:57:34,660 --> 01:57:34,370
fascinating as far as where did it come

2708
01:57:36,400 --> 01:57:34,670
from

2709
01:57:37,690 --> 01:57:36,410
they may not necessarily be

2710
01:57:41,200 --> 01:57:37,700
extraterrestrial it could be a

2711
01:57:44,140 --> 01:57:41,210
dimensional thing that I saw yeah the

2712
01:57:46,330 --> 01:57:44,150
French you follow just jacked Valley and

2713
01:57:48,910 --> 01:57:46,340
his dimension Buch and subsequent books

2714
01:57:51,510 --> 01:57:48,920
believed that the superstring theory and

2715
01:57:53,950 --> 01:57:51,520
there are so many different dimensions

2716
01:57:55,870 --> 01:57:53,960
it's like if you got a basical wheel

2717
01:57:58,540 --> 01:57:55,880
when it's static you can see the spokes

2718
01:58:00,880 --> 01:57:58,550
and you spin it let's say it's moving at

2719
01:58:03,730 --> 01:58:00,890
a different rate and then you know so I

2720
01:58:06,220 --> 01:58:03,740
think possibly as a combination of the

2721
01:58:08,710 --> 01:58:06,230
three maybe some illicit racial maybe

2722
01:58:13,810 --> 01:58:08,720
some are coming from under the oceans

2723
01:58:16,660 --> 01:58:13,820
and maybe summer dimensional so it's not

2724
01:58:19,470 --> 01:58:16,670
in my heart of hearts decided where the

2725
01:58:21,730 --> 01:58:19,480
true answer lies for one of a barefoot I

2726
01:58:23,920 --> 01:58:21,740
just don't know I don't know whether

2727
01:58:26,230 --> 01:58:23,930
this is for the likes of yourself and

2728
01:58:28,240 --> 01:58:26,240
many other researchers so still

2729
01:58:30,339 --> 01:58:28,250
searching for the answers and may that

2730
01:58:32,469 --> 01:58:30,349
continue well now come on

2731
01:58:34,929 --> 01:58:32,479
we've come to the end of our show I'm

2732
01:58:36,909 --> 01:58:34,939
gonna fence you know fascinating show

2733
01:58:39,699 --> 01:58:36,919
and thank you very much for coming on

2734
01:58:41,739 --> 01:58:39,709
it's been brilliant maybe we can get you

2735
01:58:44,259 --> 01:58:41,749
back up again one day we go through it

2736
01:58:47,080 --> 01:58:44,269
all again yeah and what unhappy David

2737
01:58:48,609 --> 01:58:47,090
more than happy to come on again but so

2738
01:58:48,939 --> 01:58:48,619
for people out there all will be put in

2739
01:58:51,009 --> 01:58:48,949
there

2740
01:58:54,609 --> 01:58:51,019
Malcolm's books on on the side and odd

2741
01:58:56,949 --> 01:58:54,619
on the paranormal dimensions sorry and

2742
01:58:59,560 --> 01:58:56,959
so if you want to look further into

2743
01:59:01,540 --> 01:58:59,570
Malcolm's books in you'll be fascinated

2744
01:59:03,939 --> 01:59:01,550
as I am it's because they're brilliant

2745
01:59:06,069 --> 01:59:03,949
anyway thanks again Malcolm and bye-bye

2746
01:59:09,459 --> 01:59:06,079
to you thanks for coming all the best

2747
01:59:10,409 --> 01:59:09,469
thank you cheers Malcolm well there you

2748
01:59:13,029 --> 01:59:10,419
are

2749
01:59:14,409 --> 01:59:13,039
another brilliant guests and hopefully

2750
01:59:18,099 --> 01:59:14,419
we'll have another pretty good guest for

2751
01:59:20,349 --> 01:59:18,109
you shortly so I'll wind up now and

2752
01:59:23,349 --> 01:59:20,359
thank you for visiting the paranormal

2753
01:59:24,009 --> 01:59:23,359
dimensions and don't forget sleep with

2754
01:59:28,960 --> 01:59:24,019
one eye open